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SpeedySucks
06-23-2010, 12:29 AM
I went to Nationals in London in 2005 and thought the atmosphere was great for the competition. I liked the more intimate setting of the arena, and there was a lot to do in the 2-3 blocks around the Labatt Center.

However, I cannot see how London is going to handle the logistics for Worlds. There simply isn't enough hotel space in downtown London--IIRC, there are only 6 or 7 hotels within walking distance of the arena, and 2 or 3 of those (the Comfort Hotel and Residence Inn) are a good mile away. From what I saw of the rest of London, the hotels outside of downtown are not all that nice, and some of them are not in very good areas. It was hard to find a hotel room for Canadians--I couldn't find anything downtown until one of the hotels had a cancellation a few weeks before the event--and I would guess that almost every single downtown hotel room will be needed for officials, media, and skaters. On top of that, the arena does not have sufficient backstage areas for media and skaters at Nationals, let alone Worlds. I applaud Skate Canada and the ISU for going with a smaller venue given all of the empty seats in Calgary in 2006, but I foresee a lot of logistical problems with London that will make attending for out-of-towners (including media and skaters) a difficult experience.

lexeoe
06-23-2010, 05:54 AM
i wonder which will be the official hotel for london 2013? i assume either delta or four points by sheraton?

Domshabfan
06-23-2010, 09:36 AM
:huh: It's one thing to have the venues for certain events in suburban locations that might be one or two hours outside of the main city (this is fairly common), but St. Petersburg is 1,920 km from Sochi and Moscow is 1,360 km from Sochi. It would be closer to have the event in Turkey or Georgia. :lol:

Besides, there is no way the venue will not be ready.

Didn't Beijing 2008 organise their Equestrian event in Hong Kong(1964 Kms from Beijing). Sailing also was held outside of Beijing at Qingdao, which is some 880 kms from Beijing. Most Olympics football matches are spread through out the host country, so for a bigger country that could be that the event can be held some 2500 kms away from main stadium. So, if sochi has any problem with the venues, they can use existing facilities. Also remember, my post was in reply to posts by Frau Muller and Rock2, who seem to suggest that the entire games will be moved out of Russia. So before moving the games entirely, if need arises IOC will move the some events within Russia.

One think i agree with you, the venues will be a ready ahead of the games, and i am looking forward to attending it.

lexeoe
06-23-2010, 10:54 AM
for summer olympics, sailing and soccer are really held far from the city unless its a coastal one. Seoul's sailing event was in Busan, Atlanta's was in Savannah and yes Beijing's was in Qingdao, Moscow's was in Tallinn. Soccer is understandable why it needs to spread out. Equatrian was different, Beijing tried to pull a Melbourne 1956 in my books there. Its could've been easily held in Beijing yet they said they Hong Kong has better facilities. I think they just didn't want to build one and the IOC was adamant to host the games in China. When Athens was falling behind rumors were circulating that Sydney or Seoul will be the back up. When the bribery scandal broke out Calgary offered itself as host should Salt Lake City be stripped of the hosting the rights. I think if the venues weren't ready in time for Sochi 2014 the most logical thing to do is either retain Vancouver or ask Turin to host if they will accept.

nitsansh
06-24-2010, 01:05 AM
Is it practical to commute to London from Oakville (halfway between Toronto and Hamilton)?

nitsansh
06-24-2010, 01:13 AM
for summer olympics, sailing and soccer are really held far from the city unless its a coastal one. Seoul's sailing event was in Busan, Atlanta's was in Savannah and yes Beijing's was in Qingdao, Moscow's was in Tallinn. Soccer is understandable why it needs to spread out. Equatrian was different, Beijing tried to pull a Melbourne 1956 in my books there. Its could've been easily held in Beijing yet they said they Hong Kong has better facilities. I think they just didn't want to build one and the IOC was adamant to host the games in China. When Athens was falling behind rumors were circulating that Sydney or Seoul will be the back up. When the bribery scandal broke out Calgary offered itself as host should Salt Lake City be stripped of the hosting the rights. I think if the venues weren't ready in time for Sochi 2014 the most logical thing to do is either retain Vancouver or ask Turin to host if they will accept.
Melbourne's case was different. There were strict quarantine rules for animals at that time in Australia that made it impossible to bring horses from other countries to the Olympics. The equestrian competitions were technically part of the same Olympics, but were held several months earlier.

kwanfan1818
06-24-2010, 01:47 AM
*Probably just as well seeing as I'm likely to barred from entering Canada for making fun of standing ovations and slam poetry. ;)

You may have noticed from the Vancouver Olympics Closing Ceremonies that Canadians are very good at making fun of themselves, so I think you're safe.


I think if the venues weren't ready in time for Sochi 2014 the most logical thing to do is either retain Vancouver or ask Turin to host if they will accept.
My understanding is that the venues in Sochi are going to be moved to other parts of Russia after the Olympics. If that's the case, maybe they'll be pre-fabbed in parallel (or could be) while the infrastructure is being laid and shipped to Sochi.

Asli
06-24-2010, 07:49 AM
I think if the venues weren't ready in time for Sochi 2014 the most logical thing to do is either retain Vancouver or ask Turin to host if they will accept.

I honestly don't believe a big, proud country with huge financial and human resources like Russia, with so much experience in organizing sports events and so used to shows of grandeur, would allow such a thing to happen. The venue may not be ready a year in advance for the Euros, but it is sure to be ready for the Olympics. We are still in 2010 - even if nothing had been started yet it would be ready.

Anya
06-24-2010, 11:32 AM
I don't doubt that the venues will be completed in time, but I find it weird that figure skating one will not be ready in time for Europeans, since I was under impression that it was supposed to be one of the first to completed.

OTOH, I have never heard anyone on the Russian side expressing any desire of hosting Euros (in Sochi or otherwise), so the venue might not be an issue at all. I doubt ISU has power to assign events to a country, which has not made a bid. It is my understanding that RFSF has always wanted/planned to use a GPF (I am not certain if it's 2012/2013 or 2013/2014 one) as a test event.

Domshabfan
06-24-2010, 11:47 AM
I don't doubt that the venues will be completed in time, but I find it weird that figure skating one will not be ready in time for Europeans, since I was under impression that it was supposed to be one of the first to completed.

OTOH, I have never heard anyone on the Russian side expressing any desire of hosting Euros (in Sochi or otherwise), so the venue might not be an issue at all. I doubt ISU has power to assign events to a country, which has not made a bid. It is my understanding that RFSF has always wanted/planned to use a GPF (I am not certain if it's 2012/2013 or 2013/2014 one) as a test event.
I remember reading the latter somewhere (i think it was a in some russian figure skating forum), but i am not sure whether it official interest or just some fan's wish.

lexeoe
06-24-2010, 02:56 PM
Sochi will probably get Cup of Russia or GPF. I remember in 1991, Albertville used then Trophee Lalique as a warm up for Lillehammer they have Piruetten. SLC had US Nationals in 1999

allezfred
06-24-2010, 03:06 PM
SLC had US Nationals in 1999

The pre-Olympic trial event for Salt Lake City was 2001 Four Continents.

Rafter
06-24-2010, 03:53 PM
I thought a short-track speed skating event was given to Sochi in the year leading up to 2014 and this would be the test event??

nitsansh
06-24-2010, 04:28 PM
There must be a test event for each Olympic sport/discipline, and it must be an international event.
At least in the last 3 Olys, the test event for figure skating was Euros/4CC, but if not, it's likely to be GPF in late 2013.

lexeoe
06-25-2010, 01:58 AM
I thought a short-track speed skating event was given to Sochi in the year leading up to 2014 and this would be the test event??

i think it was the world single distance championships. its long track.