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MikiAndoFan#1
11-02-2010, 07:59 PM
According to the updated GP schedule Joshi Helgesson is now assigned to Skate America!!

Yay! Good for her!

:cheer2:


:) :cool: that the Helgesson sisters will compete together in Portland.

It will be very interesting to watch!

Ziggy
11-04-2010, 01:01 PM
It's dissapointing not to see China use the third Ladies spot.

Their skaters are almost never sent to international competitions (other than ISU ones) and could definitely use more exposure.

I wonder why that is.

Sylvia
11-04-2010, 01:58 PM
It's dissapointing not to see China use the third Ladies spot.

Their skaters are almost never sent to international competitions (other than ISU ones) and could definitely use more exposure.

I wonder why that is.
Two of their most promising prospects, Zijun LI (1st alternate to the JGP Final) and Kexin ZHANG (she won bronze at the JGP in Japan) can't do the GP this season.

I posted on the previous page the following:

The top 4 Senior ladies in the recent Chinese National GP event (from a thread in the Kiss and Cry forum) were:
1 Kexin ZHANG 黑中心 139.39 1 1 (competed on JGP)
2 Bingwa GENG 齐中心 107.56 3 2 (assigned to Cup of China)
3 Ying Zhang 齐中心 103.83 2 3
4 Qiuying ZHU 黑中心 82.86 4 6 (assigned to Cup of China)

So perhaps China will select Ying Zhang to replace Yan Liu?
Perhaps China didn't think Ying Zhang is ready for a GP?

Ziggy
11-04-2010, 03:18 PM
Yes, I've seen your compilation and thought that Ying Zhang would be getting the spot (her score was significantly higher than that of Qiuying Zhu who is assigned).

I think China is shooting itself in the foot by not giving skaters more competitive opportunities. And I am speaking broadly and not just about the GP. Chinese skaters hardly ever compete at B-Internationals (although maybe money is the issue?).

NMURA
11-04-2010, 07:56 PM
I think China is shooting itself in the foot by not giving skaters more competitive opportunities. And I am speaking broadly and not just about the GP. Chinese skaters hardly ever compete at B-Internationals (although maybe money is the issue?).

China is a country of deep rooted Confucian-Communist elitist cultures. "Giving more competitive opportunities" is not their way of thinking. They are also very sensitive about "saving faces". The Chinese federation doesn't want a low level skater to disgrace herself in public.

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 12:20 AM
China is a country of deep rooted Confucian-Communist elitist cultures. "Giving more competitive opportunities" is not their way of thinking. They are also very sensitive about "saving faces". The Chinese federation doesn't want a low level skater to disgrace herself in public.

I'm not sure that elitist is the right word but I totally understand what you mean.

I guess "saving faces" must be main issue here, also "knowing your place," "not competing until you're good enough," etc.

Which is a shame because they have a lot of skaters that definitely are good enough.

I remember an absolutely amazing guy competing at one GP last season and really voiding it out. We've never seen him before or since. :(

mgobluegirl
11-05-2010, 01:11 AM
Which is a shame because they have a lot of skaters that definitely are good enough.

That and the fact that getting experience competing is a big part of getting to the top.

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 01:14 AM
That and the fact that getting experience competing is a big part of getting to the top.

Yes, it's a totally different thing to be performing your program well in practice and doing the same under pressure, in front of an audience and cameras.

STw Master
11-05-2010, 10:14 AM
Looks like Anna and Luca are out of Skate America, who will replace them, if anyone?

Sylvia
11-05-2010, 10:29 AM
Posted on the previous page:

Updated Dance GP Alternates List
...

Teams on the Alternates List looking for a second GP assignment (SB ranking and SB are given)
(1) 36 153.50 Rachel TIBBETTS / Collin BRUBAKER USA - CAN (can't be an alternate at Skate America - already 3 USA teams)
(1) 73 131.44 Xueting GUAN / Meng WANG CHN - CHN
...

Teams on the Alternates List looking for an initial assignment
31 155.93 Caitlin MALLORY / Kristjan RAND EST - taking a year off
37 153.22 Anastasia PLATONOVA / Alexander GRACHEV RUS - retired?
59 141.61 Carolina HERMANN / Daniel HERMANN GER - possibly taking Fall GP season off (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2840054&postcount=89)?
67 135.40 Irina BABCHENKO / Vitali NIKIFOROV UKR
68 133.81 Kamila HAJKOVA / David VINCOUR CZE - taking a year off (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2818330&postcount=92)
70 132.32 Allison REED / Otar JAPARIDZE GEO

nirti
11-05-2010, 11:58 AM
Perhaps China didn't think Ying Zhang is ready for a GP?

If I don't make a mistake, Ying Zhang is born on august 1997, so not age eligible for both senior and junior ISU competitions.

Ziggy
11-05-2010, 12:33 PM
If I don't make a mistake, Ying Zhang is born on august 1997, so not age eligible for both senior and junior ISU competitions.

Thanks. That would make perfect sense then.

Stephanie
11-05-2010, 01:52 PM
Maybe Reed/Japaridze will be invited since they train in ths US...albeit on the other side of the country from SA.

pani
11-05-2010, 02:42 PM
When will V-M withdraw from TEB and someone replace them? I wish to see Reed-Japaridze in France - not in USA, please ;)

euterpe
11-05-2010, 05:20 PM
When will V-M withdraw from TEB and someone replace them? I wish to see Reed-Japaridze in France - not in USA, please ;)

They could be invited to both SA and TEB.