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SamuraiK
10-01-2010, 09:04 PM
The only other even she could do would be as a host pick from any of the GP nations and it almost never happens that they pick someone who is not representing their own nation.

Has that ever really happened before???:huh:

Ziggy
10-01-2010, 10:00 PM
Has that ever really happened before???:huh:

Yep. The host federation has 3 spots and they are not always used.

For example, Japan always has free spots in Pairs and Ice Dance.

France hasn't always used their spots in recent years either.

But I guess those are the only exceptions.

HisWeirness
10-01-2010, 10:03 PM
^My definition of "host pick" is skater(s) who get a GP assignment but they are not on the guaranteed/alternates lists.

Ex: G. Didier is not on the guaranteed or alternates lists this season; she can only be "host picked" for a GP.

I believe the question is if any federation has "host picked" a skater not from their federation.

Federations often do not use their max. 3 entries per event for their host GP. But they almost always pick skater(s) to fill these entries who are already on the guaranteed/alternates lists.

Squibble
10-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Yep. The host federation has 3 spots and they are not always used.

For example, Japan always has free spots in Pairs and Ice Dance.

France hasn't always used their spots in recent years either.

But I guess those are the only exceptions.

Germany did too, in various disciplines.

SamuraiK
10-01-2010, 11:33 PM
Yep. The host federation has 3 spots and they are not always used.

For example, Japan always has free spots in Pairs and Ice Dance.
France hasn't always used their spots in recent years either.
But I guess those are the only exceptions.

Oh well, yeah that always happens but I guess I didn't consider those "host picks that go to another country".. I think I share HisWeirness view of what a host pick really is..

The closest case may be this year in the NHK Trophy ladies field. At the beginning there was a Japanese TBA in the entries list published and despite having tons of talented ladies skaters who could make most national teams, the JPN federation chose to invite Jenna McCorkell!!:huh: That was a very WTF moment.

Eislauffan
10-01-2010, 11:43 PM
Teams on the Alternates List looking for an initial assignment
31 155.93 Caitlin MALLORY / Kristjan RAND EST - taking a year off for his military service (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=75228)
37 153.22 Anastasia PLATONOVA / Alexander GRACHEV RUS - retired?
57 142.49 Kira GEIL / Dmitri MATSJUK AUT- split
59 141.61 Carolina HERMANN / Daniel HERMANN GER - possibly taking Fall GP season off (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2840054&postcount=89)?
67 135.40 Irina BABCHENKO / Vitali NIKIFOROV UKR - status? = still competing :)
68 133.81 Kamila HAJKOVA / David VINCOUR CZE - taking a year off (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2818330&postcount=92)
70 132.32 Allison REED / Otar JAPARIDZE GEO

Yes, AFAIK, Platonova/Grachev retired from competitive skating and both are coaching now.
Looks like there are not many couples left on the alternate list. They should open it up to couples who don't have a season's best but make the top three or maybe top five at Senior B Internationals. Some of those might not be on the list as they are new teams or weren't assigned to ISU Championships or Grand Prix last season.

Ziggy
10-02-2010, 12:01 AM
The closest case may be this year in the NHK Trophy ladies field. At the beginning there was a Japanese TBA in the entries list published and despite having tons of talented ladies skaters who could make most national teams, the JPN federation chose to invite Jenna McCorkell!!:huh: That was a very WTF moment.

OMG I missed that. Honestly what were they thinking? :huh:

Tons of previously unknown Japanese skaters, who barely made top 10 at the Nationals, are winning B-Internationals all the time.

They have tons of skaters good enough to compete at GP. Crazy!

haribobo
10-02-2010, 02:01 AM
Here's a rundown of the top 14 from Japanese Nationals. I guess Takeda, Nakamura, and Muramoto were the only possible choices, and must be deemed not worthy of a GP spot? Or they are taking time off?

1 Mao Asada - 2 GP
2 Akiko Suzuki - 2 GP
3 Yukari Nakano - RETIRED
4 Miki Ando - 2 GP
5 Kanako Murakami - 2 GP
6 Haruka Imai - 2 GP
7 Fumie Suguri - 2 GP
8 Ayumi Goto - JGP
9 Nana Takeda ?
10 Yukiko Fujisawa - JGP
11 Karen Kemanai - JGP
12 Ayane Nakamura ?
13 Satsuki Muramoto ?
14 Shion Kokubun - JGP

burntBREAD
10-02-2010, 02:11 AM
Here's a rundown of the top 14 from Japanese Nationals. I guess Takeda, Nakamura, and Muramoto were the only possible choices, and must be deemed not worthy of a GP spot? Or they are taking time off?

1 Mao Asada - 2 GP
2 Akiko Suzuki - 2 GP
3 Yukari Nakano - RETIRED
4 Miki Ando - 2 GP
5 Kanako Murakami - 2 GP
6 Haruka Imai - 2 GP
7 Fumie Suguri - 2 GP
8 Ayumi Goto - JGP
9 Nana Takeda ?
10 Yukiko Fujisawa - JGP
11 Karen Kemanai - JGP
12 Ayane Nakamura ?
13 Satsuki Muramoto ?
14 Shion Kokubun - JGP


If I recall, Takeda retired, otherwise she definitely would have received the spot, IMO

haribobo
10-02-2010, 02:21 AM
Ayane Nakamura competed somewhere recently and scored 115 total which is an OK score, but probably not up to snuff for Japan...maybe if she did 115 for the FS, she'd be considered. :P Satsuki Muramoto won Triglav in April over Joshi Helgesson and others with a score of 143. But not sure what happened since. Is she still competing?

chipso1
10-02-2010, 02:25 AM
RIP Japanese ladies skating? :P

SamuraiK
10-02-2010, 04:06 AM
Here's a rundown of the top 14 from Japanese Nationals. I guess Takeda, Nakamura, and Muramoto were the only possible choices, and must be deemed not worthy of a GP spot? Or they are taking time off?

1 Mao Asada - 2 GP
2 Akiko Suzuki - 2 GP
3 Yukari Nakano - RETIRED
4 Miki Ando - 2 GP
5 Kanako Murakami - 2 GP
6 Haruka Imai - 2 GP
7 Fumie Suguri - 2 GP
8 Ayumi Goto - JGP
9 Nana Takeda ?
10 Yukiko Fujisawa - JGP
11 Karen Kemanai - JGP
12 Ayane Nakamura ?
13 Satsuki Muramoto ?
14 Shion Kokubun - JGP

From what I've seen from them in the past and If they are still competing Nakamura and Muramoto are perfectly fine for the GP level, or Sawada or any of the Ishikawa sisters. I wonder what the japanese fans thought of that.. I know that if it was USFS filling the USA TBA box in the entries lists with someone like Jenna, Tugba or Gizmo, FSUniverse would have exploded!!..:lynch:

oleada
10-02-2010, 04:19 AM
Ayane Nakamura competed somewhere recently and scored 115 total which is an OK score, but probably not up to snuff for Japan...maybe if she did 115 for the FS, she'd be considered. :P Satsuki Muramoto won Triglav in April over Joshi Helgesson and others with a score of 143. But not sure what happened since. Is she still competing?

I think Muramoto is injured.

Ziggy
10-02-2010, 04:26 AM
Well it's a different culture, where people are much more humble and the lower ranked skaters themselves would possibly not have considered themselves good enough.

MikiAndoFan#1
10-02-2010, 08:55 AM
If I recall, Takeda retired, otherwise she definitely would have received the spot, IMO

Nana retired?

:drama: :(