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oz01
06-15-2010, 03:43 PM
Thank you! Sylvia:
I thought Angela was doing well before the back injury.

Polymer Bob
06-15-2010, 04:20 PM
Is Angela doing the Junior Grand Prix?

haribobo
06-15-2010, 04:31 PM
Nobody knows anything yet, Polymer.

kwanfan1818
06-15-2010, 05:44 PM
Would that be allowed? :confused: Ukraine is not a host country, and neither Z+V nor B+Z were ranked high enough to be awarded two GP events?

:shuffle: There are still a couple of other worthy teams (i.e. Estonians, Czechs) who are awaiting assignment for their first 2010 GP comp.
Anyone who has a season's best of 75 and under, or who was seeded in any previous year but was out last year due to injury ("or no fault of their onw") can be chosen for 0-2 spots, as long as all of the skaters guaranteed one or two get their one or two. There's no official hierarchy for the remaining selections.

Assuming the 2010-11 rules are the same as in the 2009-10 GP announcement, for B/V to qualify to be on the alternates list, either Z/V or B/Z had to have World Rankings or top 24 Season's Best in the last two seasons (2.2.b) or have placed 7-12 in last year's WC's (2.2.a) to qualify under the new partnership rule (2.2.g). I don't have the printouts for the last two years, so I can't verify whether they would.

HisWeirness
06-15-2010, 06:23 PM
Assuming the 2010-11 rules are the same as in the 2009-10 GP announcement, for B/V to qualify to be on the alternates list, either Z/V or B/Z had to have World Rankings or top 24 Season's Best in the last two seasons (2.2.b) or have placed 7-12 in last year's WC's (2.2.a) to qualify under the new partnership rule (2.2.g). I don't have the printouts for the last two years, so I can't verify whether they would.
Z/V had both a World Ranking (#20) and Season Best (#19) in the top 24 for 2009-10, which put that team in the "guaranteed at least 1 GP" group for 2010-11.

In the 2009-10 GP announcement, it said that the previous partnership had to have been in the "guaranteed" group for 2007-08 or 2008-09, so for 2010-11 that would be 2008-09 or 2009-10 if I'm reading it correctly.

kwanfan1818
06-15-2010, 06:32 PM
That you for that. (If I had searched properly, I would have found the info earlier in the thread.)

I didn't mean to phrase it to imply that they needed to place in both years. Thank you for the correction.

Technically, both assignments would be thrown back into the pool, and JPN and RUS could choose the new team.

sbanet
06-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Based on the wording in the most recent GP announcement document (2009-10):



So, the new UKR team would be considered as an alternate list team (the alternate list being those with seasons bests in the #25-75 range). They theoretically could get 2 GPs (nothing in the rules against that), but would probably only be assigned one (if any) coming off of the alternate list.

I'm guessing that if both teams notify the GP hosting federations that they have each split and that B +V want to be considered for an assignment, the GP hosting federations would first strike Z/V and B/Z off of the GP assignment table, and then look at the 2 new assignment spots left to fill and choose to fill them how they wish (with B+V or with another team).

Yeah, based on that criteria I could definitely see the new team of B+V getting 1 event right after the initial assignments, and the possibility of getting a second one later on via another run through the alternate list.

For them to get 2 right off the bat, I'd say there would have to be some sort of erm :sekret: :skandal :judge: :bribe: :bloc: :grope: _arrangement_ with at least one of the host federations. ;)

HisWeirness
06-15-2010, 11:11 PM
The proposed ISU age limit rules have not passed at the Congress yet. I've been asking around about what will happen to all the 18 year old men who want to compete on the JGP this season (and there are quite a few good ones besides Messing!) IF the age proposal passes. The unofficial word I've been hearing is that any new age rules would likely NOT go into effect for the ISU Junior singles skaters in the coming season (like in ISU Junior pairs/dance). BUT, we will have to wait and see what happens.

I just posted in the ISU Congress thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2790436&postcount=7) a tweet from the German Fed. that indicates that the Junior and Senior age limits were not changed. Not 100% sure based on this info that the age/competition policies in 2010-11 will match 2009-10 but that's what it sounds like.

Just wanted to post it here as well because it affects the Grand Prix also. The age limits and ISU Congress can be discussed in the thread I linked to. ;)

Asli
06-15-2010, 11:14 PM
I just posted in the ISU Congress thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2790436&postcount=7) a tweet from the German Fed. that indicates that the Junior and Senior age limits were not changed. Not 100% sure based on this info that the age/competition policies in 2010-11 will match 2009-10 but that's what it sounds like.

Just wanted to post it here as well because it affects the Grand Prix also. The age limits and ISU Congress can be discussed in the thread I linked to. ;)

Thank goodness! That's great news for pairs and dance!

Thank you for posting this. :)

oubik
06-16-2010, 02:01 PM
I just posted in the ISU Congress thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2790436&postcount=7) a tweet from the German Fed. that indicates that the Junior and Senior age limits were not changed. Not 100% sure based on this info that the age/competition policies in 2010-11 will match 2009-10 but that's what it sounds like.

Just wanted to post it here as well because it affects the Grand Prix also. The age limits and ISU Congress can be discussed in the thread I linked to. ;)

I can confirm it from "Czech squad". Only novice ages 10 to 15 passed through and Short Dance for Juniors and Seniors.

SUN
06-20-2010, 10:04 AM
Z/V had both a World Ranking (#20) and Season Best (#19) in the top 24 for 2009-10, which put that team in the "guaranteed at least 1 GP" group for 2010-11.

In the 2009-10 GP announcement, it said that the previous partnership had to have been in the "guaranteed" group for 2007-08 or 2008-09, so for 2010-11 that would be 2008-09 or 2009-10 if I'm reading it correctly.

AFAIK, not the guaranteed groups but seeded group (1-6 from any previous Worlds).

Lanna
06-20-2010, 04:56 PM
AFAIK, not the guaranteed groups but seeded group (1-6 from any previous Worlds).

Here's the relevant section from the 09-10 announcement.


g) Pairs or Dance couples, who were placed amongst the ranks as previously mentioned in criteria a) and
b) in the year 2007/2008 or 2008/2009, but have split, will be considered in the alternate list with the new
partner, if proof is given that they intend to continue the competitive career.

Here's section a):


a) Skaters/couples who have placed 7 12 in each of the 4 categories (Men, Ladies, Pairs, Ice Dance) at
the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2009 will be guaranteed to be selected for two ISU Grand
Prix of Figure Skating events. If there are any retirements from placements 7 12, the next priority will
be given to those skaters/couples not meeting the above criteria but who achieved a seasonal best score
equal to or better than those placed 7 12 at the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2009. If
vacancies still remain, skaters/couples placed 13th and below at the ISU World Figure Skating
Championships 2009 will be selected in order of placement.

and section b):


b) Skaters/couples with an ISU World Standing placement of 1 24 (after season 2008/2009) and
skaters/couples with seasonal best scores in the top 24 (for season 2008/2009) who do not hold an ISU
World Standing placement of 1 24 will be guaranteed one (1) event if they do not otherwise meet the
criteria listed in categories 2.1 or 2.2 above.
A listing of seasonal best scores for each season will be compiled to include the following events:
* ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating and Final
* ISU Senior Grand Prix of Figure Skating and Final
* ISU Figure Skating Championships
* Olympic Winter Games (if applicable in the year concerned)
* Other ISU controlled Events as identified each season by the ISU Council.


And I just noticed that doesn't cover the 1-6 placement at Worlds, except under the assumption that a 1-6 skater/team at Worlds would certainly be 1-24 in world's standings. Unless I'm reading this wrong, and the a) also means to include 2.1 a), which covers 1-6 worlds placements.

On the other hand, was this actually used last season? I'm drawing a blank.

(1-6 at Worlds skaters/teams with the same partner who missed a non-specified number of seasons are covered under 2.2 e), which allows them 2 assignments, which is what Sasha Cohen got.)

Also, this was new for last season and seemed tailor-made for the Olympic year, so is there any indication it will be included in the 10-11 announcement?

Ziggy
06-21-2010, 10:20 AM
Since Zaretskis have publically announced their retirement, I want ISU to replace them on the roster PRONTO (but I guess it'll take them 3 months or so :P).

Polymer Bob
06-21-2010, 01:26 PM
But replace them with whom?

Ziggy
06-21-2010, 04:28 PM
But replace them with whom?

Based on HisWeirness' list it would be:

second spot for Alessandrini/Vaturi
spot for Mallory/Rand
spot for Mysliveckova/Novak

Now I wonder what would be the order in which the spots are handed out.

Would the second spot for A/V came first or would it first go to the teams with no assigments yet?