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pinky166
06-13-2010, 09:18 PM
No, but his Season Best score is high enough to merit a GP selection (refer to my Men's list on the previous page).

Isn't Hochstein's SB higher though? He had a very successful season this year and got no assignments.

pinky166
06-13-2010, 09:32 PM
If Joelle competes for US again she'll likely have to do regionals and sectionals. I think that probably goes for Kawamura and Maxwell as well, they could try for JGP, but Maxwell has already done 3 seasons of JGP and Kawamura isn't as strong as a lot of the girls in line being considered for JGP, because likely:

S5 Christina Gao - 2 events
J2 Yasmin Siraj - 2 events
J3 Lindsay Davis - 1 event, I don't think she has enough tech earn a second one
J4 Kiri Baga - 2 events
J5 Nina Jiang - 1 or 2 events
S14 Samantha Cesario - 1 or 2 events
N2 Ashley Cain - 1 or 2 events
N3 Katarina Kulgeyko - 1 or 2 events

There's 14 spots, so even if all the people I listed as getting 1 or 2 events only get 1, that's 11 spots taken up. The remaining 3 spots could be given to Ellie and Angela, but more likely they would be given to Felicia Zhang (J6) if she's still doing singles and/or Angela Wang (J7). Where Angela didn't compete at nationals and Ellie placed 21st, it doesn't look too good for them.

I know the USFSA has strict rules like J4 can't get an event before J2, but like S14 can get an event before J5 or N2. It's confusing.

Capella
06-13-2010, 09:50 PM
His (Abbott) two international results on US soil were mixed.
Maybe because everyone else was competing on ICE? ;) :shuffle:

HisWeirness
06-13-2010, 10:08 PM
Men's GP List Attempt #1. ;)

Here's Sylvia's info including all men eligible for the 2010-11 Senior GP based on SB, World Ranking, and Junior results. Removed are those who are known to have not put in their name for GP assignments (Bradley, Lysacek).

The first number in parenthesis is the number of GP spots the skater was assigned. The "ISU Age" is their ISU age for 2010-11 season. The proposed ISU age limits for Singles in 2010-11 are 15 or older for Senior GP and 13-17 for Junior GP.

A Junior is a Skater who has reached the age of thirteen (13) but not the age of eighteen (18) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition.
The "old" 2009-10 age limits were 14 and older for Senior GP and 13-18 ("has not reached 19 before July 1") for Junior GP.

Skaters in Bold have (1) GP so far. "New" means they have never skated in a Senior GP event previously. * means that they are JGP eligible.

In order of world ranking (Top 24) and then others entitled to 1 GP (Top 24 SB, Top 3 at JGPF & JW):

(2) Jeremy Abbott USA
(2) Tomas Verner CZE
(2) Michal Brezina CZE
(2) Nobunari Oda JPN
(2) Brian Joubert FRA
(2) Patrick Chan CAN
(2) Alban Preaubert FRA
(2) Samuel Contesti ITA
Yannick Ponsero FRA retired???
(2) Takahiko Kozuka JPN
(2) Johnny Weir USA
(2) Daisuke Takahashi JPN
(2) Adam Rippon USA
(2) Kevin van der Perren BEL
(2) Sergei Voronov RUS
(2) Nan Song CHN (new)
(2) Denis Ten KAZ
(2) Yuzuru Hanyu JPN (new)
(2) Adrian Schultheiss SWE
(2) Artur Gachinsky RUS (new)
(2) Kevin Reynolds CAN
(2) Brandon Mroz USA
Alexander Majorov SWE - he is ISU Age 18 (19 July 1991), so he can't do the JGP with the proposed new age rules :confused:
(1) Evgeni Plushenko RUS - 3 SB
(2) Tatsuki Machida JPN - 20 SB (new)
(2) Javier Fernandez ESP - 22 SB
(2) Ross Miner USA JGPF3 (new)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^all guarantees for at least 1 GP

#25-75 2009-10 Season SB list (listed in order of SB rank)
(1) Florent Amodio FRA - 27 SB
(1) Artem Borodulin RUS - 28 SB
(1) Shawn Sawyer CAN 30 SB
(1) Jialiang Wu CHN - 32 SB
(1) Jinlin Guan CHN - 36 SB
(1) Stephen Carriere USA - 37 SB
Grant Hochstein USA - 38 SB (ISU Age 19)
Richard Dornbush USA - 39 SB (ISU Age 18 [27 August 1991], I don't think he can do JGP with the proposed rules?)
Chao Yang CHN - 40 SB (CHN still has 2 TBA men)
(1) Anton Kovalevski UKR - 41 SB
Armin Mahbanoozadeh USA - SB 42 (ISU Age 18, [15 August 1991])
(1) Kristoffer Berntsson SWE - SB 43
*Han Yan CHN - 44 SB (*JGP - ISU Age 14 - too young for Senior GP)
(1) Paolo Bacchini ITA - 45 SB (new)
(1) Daisuke Murakami JPN - 46 SB
*Andrei Rogozine CAN - 47 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 17)
(1) Jeremy Ten CAN - 48 SB
(1) Viktor Pfeifer AUT (new) - 49 SB
*Artur Dmitriev RUS - 50 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 17)
Stanislav Kovalev RUS - 51 SB (ISU Age 18 [17 October 1991])
*Zhan Bush RUS - 53 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 17)
(1) Peter Liebers GER - 54 SB
Vaughn Chipeur CAN - 55 SB
Kento Nakamura JPN - 56 SB (ISU Age 18 [16 October 1991])
(1) Alexandr Kazakov BLR (new) - 57 SB
*Gordei Gorshkov RUS - 58 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 17)
Joey Russell CAN - 59 SB
(1)Yasuharu Nanri JPN - 60 SB
Austin Kanallakan USA - 61 SB
Mark Shakhmatov RUS - 62 SB (ISU Age 18 [29 November 1991])
Abzal Rakimgaliev KAZ - 63 SB (ISU Age 18 [25 May 1992])
Javier Raya ESP - 65 SB (ISU Age 19)
Ivan Tretiakov RUS - 66 SB
Alexander Nikolaev RUS - 67 SB (JGP?, no ISU bio)
Gregor Urbas SLO - 68 SB (retired?)
Ming Xu CHN - 69 SB
Morgan Cipres FRA - 70 SB (ISU Age 19)
*Joshua Farris USA - 71 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 15)
*Jiaxing Liu CHN - 72 SB (*JGP?, ISU Age 17)
Zoltan Kelemen ROU - 73 SB
Jorik Hendrickx BEL - 74 SB (ISU Age 18 [18 May 1992])
Ronald Lam - CAN - 75 SB (ISU Age 19)

FYI, Jamal Othman was #76 on SB list.

Host Picks
(1) Takahito Mura JPN
(1) Chafik Besseghier FRA (new)

Tony Wheeler
06-13-2010, 10:12 PM
Mahbanoozadeh was on the senior Grand Prix already, so he can't go back to juniors. I don't think that Jamal Othman has retired unless this is a very recent development.

Sylvia
06-13-2010, 10:26 PM
Isn't Hochstein's SB higher though? He had a very successful season this year and got no assignments.
If you look at my list on the previous page (oh, and HisWeirness' comprehensive list above), Carriere is one spot higher (#37 to Hochstein's #38) on the SB score list.


If Joelle competes for US again she'll likely have to do regionals and sectionals. I think that probably goes for Kawamura and Maxwell as well, they could try for JGP, but Maxwell has already done 3 seasons of JGP and Kawamura isn't as strong as a lot of the girls in line being considered for JGP, because likely:

S5 Christina Gao - 2 events
J2 Yasmin Siraj - 2 events
J3 Lindsay Davis - 1 event, I don't think she has enough tech earn a second one
J4 Kiri Baga - 2 events
J5 Nina Jiang - 1 or 2 events
S14 Samantha Cesario - 1 or 2 events
N2 Ashley Cain - 1 or 2 events
N3 Katarina Kulgeyko - 1 or 2 events

There's 14 spots, so even if all the people I listed as getting 1 or 2 events only get 1, that's 11 spots taken up. The remaining 3 spots could be given to Ellie and Angela, but more likely they would be given to Felicia Zhang (J6) if she's still doing singles and/or Angela Wang (J7). Where Angela didn't compete at nationals and Ellie placed 21st, it doesn't look too good for them.

I know the USFSA has strict rules like J4 can't get an event before J2, but like S14 can get an event before J5 or N2. It's confusing.
FYI, I've quoted and replied to your post in the general thread for U.S. international assignments in the Trash Can forum -- link is: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2788405#post2788405
(because this is a Senior Grand Prix thread and I think many of our international members might appreciate a break from USA skater-centric discussions ;)).

maroonzebra
06-13-2010, 10:43 PM
Did I miss something or does Evan have no assignments????

HisWeirness
06-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Did I miss something or does Evan have no assignments????
Correct, he apparently did not put in for/ask for any.

Ziggy
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
(rant on)
If Cheltzie was from France, I bet she'd have at least one GP assignment :rolleyes:

Ugh, I really want my girls Cheltzie and Angela Maxwell to get an assignment.
(rant off)

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Cheltzie was so robbed. :(

I hope Angela Maxwell does the JGP again actually, makes the final and skates both programs well in it.


the talk upthread about Joelle Forte, is she trying to compete for the US again?

Yes.


Did I miss something or does Evan have no assignments????

He didn't want any.

ryanbfan
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
So, according to the new ISU age rule, Keegan can't do the JGP? He turned 18 in January.

Sorry, I'm lost. :confused:

jlai
06-13-2010, 10:53 PM
Oy. Not having Abbott in NA is a severe blow to my plans. With him and Il'ina/ Katsalapov in Moscow, perhaps it is time to correct my long- expired- passport and go there.

Going to Russia takes time; so is travelling to Japan. Skate America falls on the Veteran's Day weekend, and TEB on the Thanksgivng weekend in the US--both easier for me in terms of timing.

And flying to Canada costs just as much as flying to Europe, so Skate Canada is out for me too.

I was hoping for a trip to Beijing but due to paperwork problems I think Cup of China is out for me as well. :(

Sylvia
06-13-2010, 10:57 PM
So, according to the new ISU age rule, Keegan can't do the JGP? He turned 18 in January.

Sorry, I'm lost. :confused:
The proposed ISU age limit rules have not passed at the Congress yet. I've been asking around about what will happen to all the 18 year old men who want to compete on the JGP this season (and there are quite a few good ones besides Messing!) IF the age proposal passes. The unofficial word I've been hearing is that any new age rules would likely NOT go into effect for the ISU Junior singles skaters in the coming season (like in ISU Junior pairs/dance). BUT, we will have to wait and see what happens.

ETA: HisWeirness' GP Men's list on the previous page includes the following 18 year old men, in addition to Keegan Messing, who are still age-eligible for the JGP under the current ISU rules: Alexander Majorov SWE, Richard Dornbush USA, Armin Mahbanoozadeh USA, Stanislav Kovalev RUS, Kento Nakamura JPN, Mark Shakhmatov RUS, Abzal Rakimgaliev KAZ, Jorik Hendrickx BEL. By my count, there are 32 men from 22 countries out of approximately 100 men (32%) that competed on the JGP and/or Junior Worlds this past season whose ISU age will be 18 in 2010-11.

HisWeirness
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
So, according to the new ISU age rule, Keegan can't do the JGP? He turned 18 in January.

Sorry, I'm lost. :confused:

I am confused too. I read through the proposals from the ISU and it (proposal #43) says:

a) Senior
In ISU Senior Championships, ISU Senior Grand Prix of Figure Skating and Final, International Senior Competitionsand the Olympic Winter Games only Skaters may compete who have reached the age of fifteen (15) before the July1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition. For exceptions see item c) of this paragraph.
b) Junior
i) A Junior is a Skater who has reached the age of thirteen (13) but not the age of eighteen (18) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition.
ii) In ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships and ISU Synchronized World Challenge Cup for Juniors, only Junior Skaters may compete who have reached the age of fourteen (14) but not the age of eighteen (18) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition.
iii) International Junior Competitions are open only to age-eligible Junior Skaters. Sub-groups are permitted with the approval of the Council.
Item c) states that the rules for Pairs and Dance are different...

c) Pair Skating and Ice Dance (Pairs and Couples)
What in this paragraph 3 related to these two sport disciplines, with the exception of the Novice category, becomes effective as of the season 2011/12 – for the season 2010/11 the age limits for Pair Skating and Ice Dance as per Rule 108, paragaraph 2 of the 2008 General Regulations apply.
Exclusively for Pairs and Couples the following special age Rule is applicable. Between two Skaters it is permitted a difference of age so that Skaters of thirteen or fourteen years can form a Pair or Couple with a Skater of eighteen or nineteen years (therefore no longer Junior). Provided they are qualified and entered by their Member according to ISU Rules, these Pairs/Couples can take part in any ISU Events and International Competitions with the exclusion of all Junior events/competitions, the Olympic Winter Games and YOG for which specific age limits are imposed.

For the moment, I've put in red the ages of the men's skaters that the ISU considers to be 18 years old for the 2010-11 Season. If the proposed change above passes, I read it as meaning that these 18 year old guys can no longer compete as juniors in 2010-11 Season.

I agree with everyone else here hoping that these new rules for juniors are not applied until the 2011-12 Season. :(

ryanbfan
06-13-2010, 10:59 PM
Thanks you two for clearing that up :)

I get it now :)

Ziggy
06-13-2010, 11:01 PM
The new age rules definitely shouldn't be in effect until the 2011/2012 season. I hope they defer them.