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Timbuktu
06-08-2010, 09:45 PM
The Admins here have day jobs and other things in their lives besides constantly monitoring threads for potentially exploding dumps, especially on topics -- explicit or by drift -- that have produced exploding dumps each time they are discussed.

Of course the admins of the site have lives too, as they should. Iím not meaning any criticism of them at all, last year was very tough for them. But itís not true to say that every british thread was closed down in a heap of flames either because I think the first one that was closed was thread 5. That was right after the fallout from the elections if I remember correctly.

All Iím saying is that as hard as it was for the admins to stay on top of things here, that pales in comparison to the sacrifice that athletes give up to represent us, and when they have to endure the additional rubbish that Mark and Chrissy had to, the only way I can think of to avoid other skaters being mistreated in similar ways is to help those of us that have tried to bring the issues to light here.

Perhaps there are other ways too, but from what Iíve seen the answers that came back from the agm were pathetic, so there is no improvement in attitude from this board as far as I can see. It is one thing to forgive them for making honest mistakes, but if they are deliberately trying to deceive the members then that is a different story altogether.

kwanfan1818
06-08-2010, 10:02 PM
All Iím saying is that as hard as it was for the admins to stay on top of things here, that pales in comparison to the sacrifice that athletes give up to represent us, and when they have to endure the additional rubbish that Mark and Chrissy had to, the only way I can think of to avoid other skaters being mistreated in similar ways is to help those of us that have tried to bring the issues to light here.
This is a private board. It's neither your call nor my call to determine what sacrifices anyone, including the board owner and other admins, should make on behalf of anyone else. They are allowed to create limits.

SHARPIE
06-08-2010, 10:14 PM
Where would you suggest that these issues get discussed?
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On an independent Internet forum created for this purpose? Or start a private email list/group for concerned NISA members who would like to work on improving and/or changing the system from within?

Best wishes to Christina and Mark!

This ...

As FSU is a privately owned BRITISH Website that wishes not to be that forum you want. Sorry it didnt work out. Bye.


Timbuktu, as far as I know NISA is not the only national federation with questionable tactics and lots of politicking going on. Actually this is the norm, not the exception. Every now and then we read on the FSU about how many federations interfere with the outcome of their national championships and/or use questionable criteria to choose their national teams.

Yet it is possible to mention the names of French, Russian, German or Italian skaters and discuss their skating without the thread becoming a war over the actions of their respective federations. Why shouldn't this be possible for the skaters from the UK? Peace.



This is what I wonder too Asli.





Perhaps this site is not the best place to debate these issues, but considering it is a forum for sharing opinions and ideas then it seems to me concerning that the Association in this country is so sensitive over what people want to say here.

I don't want problems for anyone either, but when people have asked legitimate questions about what goes on then isn't that part of what this site is designed for? In an ideal world the people that have had allegations made about them would stop doing serious things wrong.



FFS! havent I made this site's position here clear MANY times over?!



All I’m saying is that as hard as it was for the admins to stay on top of things here, that pales in comparison to the sacrifice that athletes give up to represent us, and when they have to endure the additional rubbish that Mark and Chrissy had to, the only way I can think of to avoid other skaters being mistreated in similar ways is to help those of us that have tried to bring the issues to light here.



OK, everything bad that has EVER happened in my life pales in comparison ... yeah OK.

Im sorry DanceDanceDance and Timbuktu but I am removing your memberships, I dont have the time to keep going OVER this shit. Dont bother emailing re how UNFAIR we are but you have both been asked on numerous occasions to knock it off.

Imperfect Edge
06-08-2010, 10:26 PM
Thanks for your efforts Sharpie and for not closing the thread down.

Sheffield skaters should get some benefit as Christina and Mark will presumably put more time into coaching?

Aussie Willy
06-09-2010, 01:04 AM
Go Sharpie!

On topic, one of the skaters and her mum at my rink went back to the UK in January and said she had some lessons with Christina. Said she was an excellent coach.

I am disappointed that they have separated because from what I saw they were very talented. But I think British ice dancers overall have been very underrated on the world scene. I have always enjoyed the British teams when I have got to see them from Euros and Worlds. The Kerrs are probably an exception in that they have really made a mark internationally and got the respect they deserved.

Paragraph3s
06-09-2010, 11:13 AM
This ...

As FSU is a privately owned BRITISH Website that wishes not to be that forum you want. Sorry it didnt work out. Bye.





This is what I wonder too Asli.




FFS! havent I made this site's position here clear MANY times over?!



OK, everything bad that has EVER happened in my life pales in comparison ... yeah OK.

Im sorry DanceDanceDance and Timbuktu but I am removing your memberships, I dont have the time to keep going OVER this shit. Dont bother emailing re how UNFAIR we are but you have both been asked on numerous occasions to knock it off.

What is this siteís position? It makes sense to have rules about not posting libellous content, but you didnít remove these people for posting anything libellous. I didnít always agree with them, but at least they seemed to have good reasons for posting what they said.

Did you remove them simply because they persisted in posting an opinion that you didnít agree with? An opinion that was one of the reasons Mark and Christina retired from competing. Iíd like to understand in case I ever feel like posting anything else in the future?

dupa
06-09-2010, 01:20 PM
They were banned for being a pain in the arse. Don't be a pain in the arse and you won't be banned. Simple as that. Clear enough?

Sylvia
06-09-2010, 01:58 PM
What is this site’s position? It makes sense to have rules about not posting libellous content, but you didn’t remove these people for posting anything libellous. I didn’t always agree with them, but at least they seemed to have good reasons for posting what they said.
To answer your question -- the following was posted in November 2009:

OK, 2 more posts removed and I am calling time for now on future British Skating Threads - This is an Olympic Season and the Admin Team have enough to do than to monitor this thread for constant unsubtantiated gossip. If you wish to start a thread about individual British Skaters/Teams then please do so, but we will start to remove posters from the forum who continue with the constant gossip that these threads bring. Whether it's true or not is not for me or the other admins to judge but keeping it here looks like we endorse it.

And for those who want to bang on about free speech, this is a privately owned message board and not a place to say whatever you like OK? Cheers.

Back on topic... Chrissy wrote in her June 5th journal: "We will be performing in IceAct’s Chiller shows in Cardiff and Altrincham on June 12 and 13." If anyone attends this show, reviews would be most welcomed!

joe
06-09-2010, 02:20 PM
To answer your question -- the following was posted in November 2009:


Back on topic... Chrissy wrote in her June 5th journal: "We will be performing in IceActís Chiller shows in Cardiff and Altrincham on June 12 and 13." If anyone attends this show, reviews would be most welcomed!

Like everyone I am so sad to see them go, such lovely people and a dream to watch and I`m sure a fantastic new future lays ahead of them.

Not sure how to start a new thread if someone could do, I`d appreciate. I was wondering how the senior british pairs are doing preparing for the season? I know Sally Hoolin has been off the ice for 6 months or so with a serious form of anaemia but recently told she had been seen back on the ice, though told looked weak was hoping this is a sign they`ll be competing this year. David n Stacey I know are training hard but with so much water between hear nothing of Erica and Robert. Be nice to see a full podium at the british.

Paragraph3s
06-09-2010, 02:31 PM
To answer your question -- the following was posted in November 2009:


Back on topic... Chrissy wrote in her June 5th journal: "We will be performing in IceActís Chiller shows in Cardiff and Altrincham on June 12 and 13." If anyone attends this show, reviews would be most welcomed!

Thank you for your reasoned response Sylvia.

I haven't got the time to be an advocate for either cause, but it's worth pointing out that we're no longer in an Olympic Season, the points made weren't about unsubstantiated gossip (C&H have actually retired and part of their reason was the politics), and this is in an individual thread about Mark and Christina's retirement. So the reasons you posted do not apply in this case. Similarly, whatever Sharpie has gone through that "pales in comparison" is not relevant to this topic.

Obviously there are people that prefer to ban people or otherwise put them off competing if their face doesn't fit, but if everyone was like that then the world would be a horrible place.

I wish Christina and Mark all the best for their future, but am sad that it got as bad as it did for them. If this site endorses the behaviour that was inflicted on them, by burying it's head in the sand or otherwise blocking people willing to stand up for our skaters, then I doubt I will make much time to return very often either.

skatefriend
06-09-2010, 02:32 PM
They were banned for being a pain in the arse. Don't be a pain in the arse and you won't be banned. Simple as that. Clear enough?

Isn't this libellous?

Fairgame
06-09-2010, 03:19 PM
Isn't this libellous?

Sounds like it to me!!

Shame we have lost Dance Dance Dance and Timbukto. Always felt there was much honesty and caring for the British skaters in general in their posts.

Perhaps I will be removed now too for making this comment?

Paragraph3s
06-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Isn't this libellous?

:lol:

Good point! At the very least it is unsubstantiated gossip!

I find that when people that call me names they do so from a place of insecurity in themselves. Libel laws are a valuable thing, but in the context of a site like this I think it is over used by people that have something to hide.

Honestly people, for all those that are fed up about hearing the issues that have been discussed in this forum against the people running NISA, get ahold of yourself. You don't have to live this stuff day in day out. It doesn't have a significant impact on your life, other than perhaps being an irritation that takes up some of your time.

If you really are irritated about these points, then do something about it. If there is any truth to the allegations against the NISA Board, then find a way of removing them from their positions. Then all this rubbish will get back to more normal levels like those in other Federations.

dupa
06-09-2010, 04:44 PM
Isn't this libellous?

Only when it's not true, INNIT!

SHARPIE
06-09-2010, 04:49 PM
To answer your question -- the following was posted in November 2009:


Back on topic... Chrissy wrote in her June 5th journal: "We will be performing in IceAct’s Chiller shows in Cardiff and Altrincham on June 12 and 13." If anyone attends this show, reviews would be most welcomed!

Thankyou Sylvia, Interesting, I live very near Cardiff so could go and see the show myself... I'll have to look it up unless anyone cares to PM me.


Like everyone I am so sad to see them go, such lovely people and a dream to watch and I`m sure a fantastic new future lays ahead of them.



I agree.


Thank you for your reasoned response Sylvia.

I haven't got the time to be an advocate for either cause, but it's worth pointing out that we're no longer in an Olympic Season, the points made weren't about unsubstantiated gossip (C&H have actually retired and part of their reason was the politics), and this is in an individual thread about Mark and Christina's retirement. So the reasons you posted do not apply in this case. Similarly, whatever Sharpie has gone through that "pales in comparison" is not relevant to this topic.

Obviously there are people that prefer to ban people or otherwise put them off competing if their face doesn't fit, but if everyone was like that then the world would be a horrible place.

I wish Christina and Mark all the best for their future, but am sad that it got as bad as it did for them. If this site endorses the behaviour that was inflicted on them, by burying it's head in the sand or otherwise blocking people willing to stand up for our skaters, then I doubt I will make much time to return very often either.

Whatever I or anyone or else on this thread has been through personally or professionally is definitely not relevant to this thread, I agree.

However I didnt like the point that was made by a banned member earlier, that everything 'pales in comparison' to what Chrissy and Mark have been through.

It isnt an Olympic Season anymore, but nowhere have I retracted that comment and I have entered into correspondance many times with both banned members that I am tired of the fallout from this type of discussion.

I have no idea what 'behaviour' was inflicted on Chrissy and Mark bar what I have read on here and from their own words. I cannot base this site's position on that from a one sided viewpoint.

You say you havent got the time to be an advocate for either cause, well here is the thing... neither do I, nor any other of the site admins.






Isn't this libellous?

This is in response to the 'pain in the arse' comments that seem to have not come out on my multiquote,

We're referring to two internet pseuds so not really. The constant 'NISA is corrupt' stuff that these pseuds have persisted in posting over and over again IS actually libellous as they are naming an organisation.


In the context of FSU, they are pains in the arse so sue me too. We have spent a lot more time on complaints re these posters than 99% of the other posters on this board these last few months. Not to mention the behaviour of the poster who thought invading my privacy was fair game.

Sounds like it to me!!

Shame we have lost Dance Dance Dance and Timbukto. Always felt there was much honesty and caring for the British skaters in general in their posts.

Perhaps I will be removed now too for making this comment?

If you want me to remove your account, I will do so, but I see no reason to.