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Perky Shae Lynn
07-06-2010, 04:37 PM
What made it "obvious"? Reporters are supposed to report facts, and unless Jamie and David actually said, "We are in a relationship", there would be nothing to report. Saying you think they looked like they were in a relationship is not good reporting.
They were acting like a couple off the ice while David was still married. You don't hold hands and have PDAs all over the place with someone you are only partners on the ice. It was the worst kept secret in Canadian skating. Just like their separation last year. :rolleyes:

The Observer
07-09-2010, 09:55 AM
It's really not that complicated. It was obvious that Jamie & David were in a relationship when he was still married. Anyone covering skating events could see it. Of course, nobody knows the state of Dave's first marriage at the time. But while they were the golden couple of Canadian skating, the timing of Jamie & David's courtship was glossed over by the media.

Yup. You've got it.

Japanfan
07-09-2010, 10:53 AM
They were acting like a couple off the ice while David was still married. You don't hold hands and have PDAs all over the place with someone you are only partners on the ice. It was the worst kept secret in Canadian skating. Just like their separation last year. :rolleyes:

So reporters should have written a story with the headlines 'Married Skater Strays for Current Skating Partner' at that time. And another 'Married Skaters Strays' headline during the time of their separation, when Jamie apparently disrupted a hockey players' blissful marriage and family life, and David got intimate with a skater much his junior in years.

I really hope our figure skating reporters have better things to do than that - more important skating news to report.

People Weekly and Entertainment Weekly thrive on dishing up the dirt on celebrities. Jamie and David aren't such visible celebrities that those publications would follow their marriage and relational antics closely.

People and Entertainment Weekly focus on all the titillating aspects of celebs' live. For example, problems between Angela Jolie and Brad Pitt have made headlines for weeks running. And the situation between Tom Cruise, Katie Holmes and their baby is another commonly investigated subject.

However, Sale and Pelletier's actions/behavour are less news worthy. Maybe they will get a spot on Canada's 'Entertainmant Tonight' at some point, but probably not much more can be expected.

screech
07-09-2010, 11:16 AM
And, most Canadian celebrities move to the US.

So do most international ones - that's where the jobs are. Heck, half of Hollywood is Australian these days.

Speaking of gossip love, I'm Canadian and I, on a daily basis, check out Perez (annoying as he is), Just Jared, Dlisted and Lainey. I fully admit that I'm a gossip whore, though I skip over the celebs I don't care for and usually only pay attention to the super hot ones, or those involved in shows/movies that I enjoy. Basically, I'm a bored person and looking at the insane stuff amuses me.

overedge
07-09-2010, 03:07 PM
They were acting like a couple off the ice while David was still married. You don't hold hands and have PDAs all over the place with someone you are only partners on the ice. It was the worst kept secret in Canadian skating. Just like their separation last year. :rolleyes:

I think you're confusing reporters choosing what information to write about vs. reporters actively concealing information.

Look at how much space or airtime figure skating routinely gets in Canadian sports news coverage (which is not much, especially compared to coverage of football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc. etc.). Now imagine that you are a sports reporter covering Canadian nationals and you know the limited amount of space or airtime you have to tell your story. What are you going to use that space or airtime for? Reporting the results of the competition, or reporting "Jamie and David's PDA"?

Sorry, but making that choice is not a coverup or a conspiracy.

Perky Shae Lynn
07-09-2010, 09:03 PM
I think you're confusing reporters choosing what information to write about vs. reporters actively concealing information.
Sorry, but making that choice is not a coverup or a conspiracy.
You completely missed my point. Of course there was no "cover-up" or conspiracy. For goodness sake, S&P were never that important. I am simply saying the truth was rather neglected in order to create a STORY. It happens all the time.

MacMadame
07-09-2010, 09:50 PM
I think it's more that when reporters did chose to write about Jamie and David and did chose to write about their relationship, that many (not all) also chose to gloss over the timing of it and how that impacted David's first wife. That's a bit different than saying "their relationship isn't important enough to talk about". They were clearly talking about it. That's more "this fact is inconvenient to the picture I'm trying to paint so I think I'll just leave it out."

The same with Jamie and Craig's supposed affair. There were definitely stories at the time about the show and about their pairing. The reporters writing those stories could have mentioned that the winning couple had a romantic relationship off ice and that would have been very in keeping with the type of piece they were writing. But, for whatever reason, they chose not to mention that.

I think it's interesting what the media does and doesn't report on, what they deem important for us to know, what they are willing to sacrifice to tell a particular story (which may or may not fit the facts). I think it's important to be an informed consumer of the news and understanding how they operate is part of that.

hongligl
07-09-2010, 10:10 PM
To be honest, I can't imagine how Sale and Craig could have an affair. They had zero chemistry on ice. I dare to bet that the relationship will not last long as there appears to be no profound affections. It would be more convincing if Shae-Lynn and Claud were the object of a story, they had such amazing chemistry. Shae-Lynn and Claud also showed much better skills, and IMO they should have won.

Sabrine Tornston
07-10-2010, 04:06 PM
I think you're confusing reporters choosing what information to write about vs. reporters actively concealing information.

Look at how much space or airtime figure skating routinely gets in Canadian sports news coverage (which is not much, especially compared to coverage of football, hockey, basketball, baseball, etc. etc.). Now imagine that you are a sports reporter covering Canadian nationals and you know the limited amount of space or airtime you have to tell your story. What are you going to use that space or airtime for? Reporting the results of the competition, or reporting "Jamie and David's PDA"?

Sorry, but making that choice is not a coverup or a conspiracy.
I only noticed one person suggesting a cover-up. Everyone else is annoyed that the media manipulated us. They sure had time to write about Jamie & David's "perfect love story" - in fact, it was shoved down our collective throats before, during and after SLC. Surely, journalists had seen David's wife at competitions (when he was a nobody and she supported him); but the inconvinient timing of J&D's relationship was quickly forgotten. Because it didn't fit the story.

overedge
07-10-2010, 08:36 PM
I only noticed one person suggesting a cover-up. Everyone else is annoyed that the media manipulated us. They sure had time to write about Jamie & David's "perfect love story" - in fact, it was shoved down our collective throats before, during and after SLC. Surely, journalists had seen David's wife at competitions (when he was a nobody and she supported him); but the inconvinient timing of J&D's relationship was quickly forgotten. Because it didn't fit the story.

Sigh. I don't know how many different ways I can explain this, but the media - or at least the parts of it I was familiar with at the time - basically didn't care. At the time when (allegedly) Jamie and David got together, they were an up and coming pair team, and the media were excited about their future competitive possibilities. The romance part was at best a secondary part of the story.

Then when Jamie and David became top-ranked skaters, the media had limited space to cover the actual events, and used that space to report on the results of the competitions, or other things that were going on. Like, say, that business at the SLC Olympics. Again, the romance part of it was a secondary consideration.

Call that manipulation if you will, but I have yet to see or hear anything that convinces me that there was some collective effort to write the magical love story, and a collective effort to leave out information that contradicted that story. Other than the fact that Jamie and David were an off-ice couple, their previous entanglements or how they got together simply weren't of that much interest.

Really
07-10-2010, 08:49 PM
Call that manipulation if you will, but I have yet to see or hear anything that convinces me that there was some collective effort to write the magical love story, and a collective effort to leave out information that contradicted that story. Other than the fact that Jamie and David were an off-ice couple, their previous entanglements or how they got together simply weren't of that much interest.Well, maybe not here in Canada where we generally don't give a rip about our celebrities' private lives. But obviously some people figure there must have been some sort of collusion because their relationship wasn't splashed all over the place.

Meh...:blah:

kwanfan1818
07-10-2010, 09:31 PM
Sigh. I don't know how many different ways I can explain this, but the media - or at least the parts of it I was familiar with at the time - basically didn't care. At the time when (allegedly) Jamie and David got together, they were an up and coming pair team, and the media were excited about their future competitive possibilities. The romance part was at best a secondary part of the story.
If the writers saw them obviously together when he was obviously still married, and they had such limited space, they could have dropped the entire romance part altogether. A mention of "who are also an off-ice couple" is a lot different than the fairy story that drove interest. (I, on the other hand, almost stopped liking their skating, because the story was so gag-inducing.)

Japanfan
07-10-2010, 11:49 PM
I think it's interesting what the media does and doesn't report on, what they deem important for us to know, what they are willing to sacrifice to tell a particular story (which may or may not fit the facts). I think it's important to be an informed consumer of the news and understanding how they operate is part of that.

ITA. But I don't think that the media's not reporting the details of Jamie and David's personal lives is relevant to an analysis of the media's hidden agenda. They just aren't very important.


At the time when (allegedly) Jamie and David got together, they were an up and coming pair team, and the media were excited about their future competitive possibilities. The romance part was at best a secondary part of the story.

Then when Jamie and David became top-ranked skaters, the media had limited space to cover the actual events, and used that space to report on the results of the competitions, or other things that were going on. Like, say, that business at the SLC Olympics. Again, the romance part of it was a secondary consideration.

Precisely. Most Canadians don't even remember who Sale and Pelletier are and have zero interest in their personal lives.

And I would guess that Jamie and Craig were extremely discreet about showing signs that they were in a relationship during Battle of the Blades - especially considering that the announcement about the divorce was not made until some time after. It was not particularly relevant to the competition and suggestive behaviour doesn't = facts. One media source posted on this thread did mention the relationship some time after the competition was broadcast, but I gather that it was based on speculation. Hardly astute reporting.

If Craig divorces his wife and officially becomes an item with Jamie, it might merit a mention in the news at some point. For example, if they attend a red carpet event Canadian ET might pick it up. But if Jamie and David continue commentating - which I doubt they will - the media is no more likely to give personal details about them than it does about other commentators.

But again, it's really not important. Jamie is not Lindsay Lohan and Craig is not Tiger Woods.

Pratfall
07-11-2010, 06:01 PM
I'd be surprised if David ,at least, didn't score some commentating gigs in the future. He's generally well spoken ( better than Jamie ), and even if you don't always agree with him, he often makes some thoughtful observations.

ildah
07-19-2010, 04:57 PM
Yes I think David will try to continue in commentating, as evidenced by his gig for NBC last autumn while Jamie was doing BOTB. He is intelligent and witty. I guess Jamie and david can kiss goodbye a future in commentating with CTV for future Olympics, Worlds. Being divorced with 2 households always leaves both parties poorer, no matter what your financial situation is, and I would have thought that media work brought in good money.

As for Jamie and Craig being discreet because of the "separation" not being public at that time, don't you think that might have more to do with Craig being a married, well respected member of the community, with 3 growing kids at the time of BOTB???

And anyway I don't think the divorce was in the bag until early 2010. I think they were back together, trying to mend the relationship in Sept-Dec. They were very much together, shopping at Roots, appearing in the Grey Cup parade together in November. A couple planning a divorce doesn't shop together and have their picture taken, cuddle on the couch at a BOTB party in October and then 6 months later in SOI not be able to barely stand the sight of each other.

I just don't think either of them had a commitment to their marriage, I don't think they had any kind of long term doomed relationship or any more relationship issues than any of us. I think they got blindsided with a classic 'year after the birth of the first child' marital crisis (number one time for affairs for all marriages, even us ordinary mortals) and that domino-ed into personal life crises for both of them and power shifts in the marriage, all the usual stuff that if you try to weather and get through you come out the other side a lot stronger. They just seem to both take marriage lighly IMO. I think it was the usual get the ring, get the wedding, get the baby goal that lots of young people have now, especially young women, and then it's like 'hey you mean we might have really hard, not fun times and we have to work really hard every single day on our marriage????? So just like in highschool, let's break up.

Both of them are going to have some eye opening. I think there will be lots and lots of chapters ahead for them and they won't find the new, easy smooth perfect relationships they probably both think they're going to find. Let's face it, when you both have someone new at the time of the breakup it smooths the waters temporarily. Now they both have baggage, David 2 marriages, Jamie an affair which has broken up a marriage. What an inauspicious start to a new life. I'm not impressed. Luckily for them, most people outside the skating world could care less and only hear of see of them randomly, so if they keep their mouths shut and their relationships private they might not come off looking sleezy. Right now I think the whole thing is sleezy in case you hadn't guessed :lol: