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jlai
05-27-2010, 02:14 AM
http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/article.asp?article=340941&paper=69&cat=105

Sylvia
05-27-2010, 02:17 AM
Wagner will be making her 2nd Stars on Ice tour guest appearance tonight in Salt Lake City. :cool:

essence_of_soy
05-27-2010, 03:08 AM
Must have been tough coming third at US Nationals. Especially after beating Nagasu in the free but stumbling in the short.

With two spots on the World team next year, is going to have to step it up and go for a triple - triple in the short with any hope of matching Rachael and Mirai now.

caseyedwards
05-27-2010, 04:30 AM
Yeah it was unfortunate not going to Olympics by 4 points. I think that she should probably play it a little conservative in the short. Nagasu really needs to get on top of her free skate game.

Triple Butz
05-27-2010, 04:37 AM
I really like Ashley, but sometimes I think she is a bit overconfident in her performances. I mean, really, a LP with just 4 clean triples is the "program of her life"????? She really needs to address the 2-foot issues, and work on centering her spins. All the other pieces are there, IMO. I hope her and Mirai make the trip to worlds next year.

pinky166
05-27-2010, 05:03 AM
Must have been tough coming third at US Nationals. Especially after beating Nagasu in the free but stumbling in the short.

With two spots on the World team next year, is going to have to step it up and go for a triple - triple in the short with any hope of matching Rachael and Mirai now.

With Gao and Zawadzki, and maybe even Czisny, as spoilers. I mean Mirai beat Rachael at the Olympics with no 3-3 and beat her in the SP at Nationals this year with no 3-3, so Ashley may be able to pass Rachael without a 3-3 IF she fixes her flutz and stops 2-footing her jumps.

As for Mirai, if she gets her 3lz-3t solid, then I think she will be tough to catch, especially because she already has a very solid 2a-3t and with the new rules on URs I expect she'll start going for the 3-3, in both programs, all the time. Plus the occasional URed jump won't kill her scores now like they did before. Everything else is there. Gao can maybe challenge her but I think that will take a couple more years to happen.

Polymer Bob
05-27-2010, 09:30 AM
Wagner will be making her 2nd Stars on Ice tour guest appearance tonight in Salt Lake City. :cool:

I like Ashley, but I'm a little unclear on something. She finished 4th at the Grand Prix Final and 3rd at Nationals. This gets her SOI appearances. ( as it should )

But let's say she finished 3rd at both GPF and Nationals, then competed in the Olympics. Would this also warrant SOI appearances???????

MR-FAN
05-27-2010, 10:01 AM
I like Ashley, but I'm a little unclear on something. She finished 4th at the Grand Prix Final and 3rd at Nationals. This gets her SOI appearances. ( as it should )

But let's say she finished 3rd at both GPF and Nationals, then competed in the Olympics. Would this also warrant SOI appearances???????

depends, would she slap her face in the SP?

:P

lilshorty
05-27-2010, 08:08 PM
I really like Ashley, but sometimes I think she is a bit overconfident in her performances. I mean, really, a LP with just 4 clean triples is the "program of her life"????? She really needs to address the 2-foot issues, and work on centering her spins...

THIS. I like Ashley, but I hate it when she comes off as the underdog in her interviews IMO. It's not gonna get her to worlds next year. Hard work and practice will, which I'm sure she already knows. Save me the talk. I wanna see RESULTS.

UGG
05-27-2010, 08:50 PM
THIS. I like Ashley, but I hate it when she comes off as the underdog in her interviews IMO. It's not gonna get her to worlds next year. Hard work and practice will, which I'm sure she already knows. Save me the talk. I wanna see RESULTS.

I have never seen her as an underdog. She is just someone who makes mistakes and therefore screws herself big time. There is really no #1 US lady now so therefore I dont see how anyone can view themself as an underdog.

smarts1
05-27-2010, 10:34 PM
With Gao and Zawadzki, and maybe even Czisny, as spoilers. I mean Mirai beat Rachael at the Olympics with no 3-3 and beat her in the SP at Nationals this year with no 3-3, so Ashley may be able to pass Rachael without a 3-3 IF she fixes her flutz and stops 2-footing her jumps.

As for Mirai, if she gets her 3lz-3t solid, then I think she will be tough to catch, especially because she already has a very solid 2a-3t and with the new rules on URs I expect she'll start going for the 3-3, in both programs, all the time. Plus the occasional URed jump won't kill her scores now like they did before. Everything else is there. Gao can maybe challenge her but I think that will take a couple more years to happen.

Gao probably will need to wait another year to get to the top. YuNa wasn't transformed overnight, and certainly Gao has more issues than YuNa did when she was 15-16.

Zawadski will definitely do well next year in seniors and at Nationals, but I think the judges will tell her to wait her turn.

pinky166
05-28-2010, 12:32 AM
Gao probably will need to wait another year to get to the top. YuNa wasn't transformed overnight, and certainly Gao has more issues than YuNa did when she was 15-16.

Zawadski will definitely do well next year in seniors and at Nationals, but I think the judges will tell her to wait her turn.

IMO, Gao has the potential to go farther than Zawadzki. Agnes is a bit generic and her height is concerning, most tall skaters have major consistency issues and Agnes is 5'6" and may still be growing.

Christina has a slight flutz, but apart from that her technique is great, her speed is at least good in the beginning and certainly she is much faster than Agnes. Her spins are good, not amazing, but she can spin, flexibility is nice, she's elegant, she just needs to work a bit more on presentation and then she will be the soup. Agnes sort of seems like Tom's other students - Alexe, Rachael - very good but not unique. She will do well for herself if she can stay consistent, but internationally, I don't think she'll be winning many medals.

As for Yuna, her transformation wasn't over night but just to give you an idea of what a difference a year can make:

Yuna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N00zw7LDs1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNmsjZEdO0&feature=related

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmncaNGLOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGAAOsZxNf4

Mao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fgj0QXEMsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS-JGt7X60E

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ8LXKlFjUI

Mirai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_4GEsEyAw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sGYqyf55rM

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcKKB29Bjpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJX0_QqCTE

Michelle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsorCH-690

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmUW8wPB0s&feature=fvw

Kimmie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHfujfgcOYo&feature=related

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1c3XD0EtjI&feature=related


One year can make a big difference :)

HSGP21
05-28-2010, 01:11 AM
THIS. I like Ashley, but I hate it when she comes off as the underdog in her interviews IMO. It's not gonna get her to worlds next year. Hard work and practice will, which I'm sure she already knows. Save me the talk. I wanna see RESULTS.

I completely agree...she certainly talks a big game for someone who has yet to win a major title. It is ashame she missed the Olympics, but she knew going in there was only two spots available. If Ashley wants to do well next season, i'd skip the PR and get back to practice...there are a lot of good girls coming up the ranks and if the 2006-2010 years proved anything it is that ladies figure skating is demanding, unpredictable and ever changing

smarts1
05-28-2010, 02:06 AM
IMO, Gao has the potential to go farther than Zawadzki. Agnes is a bit generic and her height is concerning, most tall skaters have major consistency issues and Agnes is 5'6" and may still be growing.

Christina has a slight flutz, but apart from that her technique is great, her speed is at least good in the beginning and certainly she is much faster than Agnes. Her spins are good, not amazing, but she can spin, flexibility is nice, she's elegant, she just needs to work a bit more on presentation and then she will be the soup. Agnes sort of seems like Tom's other students - Alexe, Rachael - very good but not unique. She will do well for herself if she can stay consistent, but internationally, I don't think she'll be winning many medals.

As for Yuna, her transformation wasn't over night but just to give you an idea of what a difference a year can make:

Yuna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N00zw7LDs1M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNmsjZEdO0&feature=related

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmncaNGLOI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGAAOsZxNf4

Mao:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fgj0QXEMsI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS-JGt7X60E

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyUwtmch9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ8LXKlFjUI

Mirai:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh_4GEsEyAw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sGYqyf55rM

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcKKB29Bjpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rJX0_QqCTE

Michelle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHsorCH-690

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmUW8wPB0s&feature=fvw

Kimmie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHfujfgcOYo&feature=related

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1c3XD0EtjI&feature=related


One year can make a big difference :)

Hmmm. Agnes is definitely very tall and she might have jump issues later in life with that scary technique, but Tom does a rather good job with keeping the consistency with his skaters. But of course, when you compare Agnes and Christina, both of them are so different--both have good jumps, but everything seems to end there.

Agnes is slow while Christina is pretty fast. Agnes is a better spinner than Christina and their artistic styles are very different..... But I do see some potential in Agnes (as opposed to many of you who don't think so, but whatever--have Tom's skaters ever risen to the tippy top? (like World Medals).

Anyway, only time will tell with the younger ones... Hopefully they don't undergo a meltdown a la Kimmie.

pinky166
05-28-2010, 03:04 AM
Hmmm. Agnes is definitely very tall and she might have jump issues later in life with that scary technique, but Tom does a rather good job with keeping the consistency with his skaters. But of course, when you compare Agnes and Christina, both of them are so different--both have good jumps, but everything seems to end there.

Agnes is slow while Christina is pretty fast. Agnes is a better spinner than Christina and their artistic styles are very different..... But I do see some potential in Agnes (as opposed to many of you who don't think so, but whatever--have Tom's skaters ever risen to the tippy top? (like World Medals).

Anyway, only time will tell with the younger ones... Hopefully they don't undergo a meltdown a la Kimmie.

I don't think she'll undergo a Kimmie meltdown, Agnes seems to have a pretty wiry build so I don't think she'll fill out a lot through the hips and thighs like Kimmie did. As for Tom's skaters, Alexe and Ryan are not exactly consistent, and both those skaters are tall. I don't find Agnes's technique particularly scary I just wonder with her height. She def has potential but like you pointed out, Tom's skaters don't tend to go on and win World medals, or even qualify for the GPF most years so if Agnes follows suit with the mold, she'll be a technically strong skater who holds her own internationally without blowing the field away.

Christina between her great jumps, speed, line, and body type I think has more star potential, but right now Agnes is heavy edge to Christina. That being said I wouldn't be surprised if Christina passes Agnes (and just about everyone else) in the future, which could be as early as this season, or may take a couple more years, or may never happen. Plus Christina isn't tall and I don't think her body will ever be an issue judging by how thin she is at 16.