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Yazmeen
06-02-2010, 03:10 AM
Ashley's mouth is no great help, but I agree her downfall is the short program. She needs to deliver consistent shorts, not just pull up from the depths in the long program. That is the most important improvement needed.

Kaikai
06-02-2010, 03:18 AM
Ashley will never win nationals because she doesn't deserve to due to her work ethic. The article of her planning to work so hard this year is quite funny due to the fact that the Olympic year was her year to work hard and she didn't because she thought she was a "shoe in" for the Olympic team-ha! It's ok because she is not a very nice girl that we want young skaters looking up to.

Wyliefan
06-02-2010, 03:20 AM
She didn't work hard? :confused: So you had a front-row seat to all her practices? And you personally witnessed that she made her way to the GPF by sitting on the couch watching soaps?

Marco
06-02-2010, 03:55 AM
No, Wagner's downfall is the SHORT PROGRAM

JMO of course...but I agree, it's been musical chairs with the US title the past few years and it's Wagner's turn to sit in that chair...of course, she just needs to put it all together and not want it TOO bad, lest she get ahead of herself and make silly mistakes...Won't be shocked to see Nagasu get it again though (which I also don't mind).

I think USFS's strategy would be to heavily promote and politik for Mirai and one more girl in this quad.

Ashley is obviously most primed for the other spot and she has shown time and again that she is a very strong lp skater. She just needs clean sps.

She was clean and had the most difficult programs in 2008 yet still lost to Mirai and Flatt. Her time was 2009 but she just blew the sp. USFS was ready to give her one more shot in 2010 given her strong GP season but she blew the sp again. :wall: Not being able to go clean in the sp cost her the US title in 2009 (and the trip to 2009 Worlds) but more importantly it cost her a trip to the Olympics!

At this stage, I think whether Ashley can finally grab the US title will hugely depend on Mirai's consistency. Gao I don't think is quite soup yet but then you never know. Barring disasters I don't see the National title going to anyone other than these three in the coming 2 to 3 seasons.

RumbleFish
06-02-2010, 04:26 AM
Ashley will never win nationals because she doesn't deserve to due to her work ethic. The article of her planning to work so hard this year is quite funny due to the fact that the Olympic year was her year to work hard and she didn't because she thought she was a "shoe in" for the Olympic team-ha! It's ok because she is not a very nice girl that we want young skaters looking up to.

Why do you have so many nice things to say about Ashley?
Did she kick your dog or something? lol

I thought Ashley looked leaner and stronger than ever before this season.
Not all the girls make to the GPF and deliver respectable 4th place finish.
I hope she fixes her jump issues and comeback stronger next season.

Iceman
06-02-2010, 05:27 AM
Ashley needs to stop rushing her jumps. Heresy, I know, but I won't be surprised if Nagasu is the one who fails to make the team this year.

pinky166
06-02-2010, 05:36 AM
Ashley needs to stop rushing her jumps. Heresy, I know, but I won't be surprised if Nagasu is the one who fails to make the team this year.

Never! I actually think Nagasu and Gao will go to Worlds, Flatt's too slow and bland and Ashley has a lot to work on to catch Mirai. Gao is cute with great jumps and I think she'll surprise us this season, make a big splash sort of a la Yuna Kim 2006-2007. Czisny and Zhang at this point I see as almost a non-factor, but you never know with those two, especially Czisny, if she manages to skate a clean competition, her scores will be up their with the other top US ladies.

kwanfan1818
06-02-2010, 05:40 AM
I think it's more accurate to say that some fans put out the "big talk" more than USFS ever did. ;)

But if they had to say that other international events would factor into the selection for the Olympic team in order not to split the profits with the IOC, and they didn't take them into due consideration, couldn't the IOC sue them for profits?

RD
06-02-2010, 07:40 AM
Ashley will never win nationals because she doesn't deserve to due to her work ethic. The article of her planning to work so hard this year is quite funny due to the fact that the Olympic year was her year to work hard and she didn't because she thought she was a "shoe in" for the Olympic team-ha! It's ok because she is not a very nice girl that we want young skaters looking up to.

Of all the skaters you could criticize for work ethic...you picked Wagner? :duh:

Anyway, she has now let it known that she has big plans for next season. I thought it was clear last year that she made a serious effort- but in a year with only two Oly spots it wasn't enough (and if Nagasu messed up, it very well might have been). I expect no less from her this year, but anything can happen- injuries (knock on wood), bad days, etc. She has had consistent LPs...once she gets the SP under control she'll have just as good a shot as anybody.

And as for Nagasu- she just needs to shake off what happened at worlds and she'll be ok. Easier said than done, of course.

Polymer Bob
06-02-2010, 09:20 AM
I think USFS's strategy would be to heavily promote and politik for Mirai and one more girl in this quad.

Ashley is obviously most primed for the other spot and she has shown time and again that she is a very strong lp skater. She just needs clean sps.

If I was cynical, I would say the USFSA doesn't have to promote or politik anybody. They just tweek the PCS and they can make anybody win. Besides, I think they learned their lesson with Alissa last year. All they can do is let the skaters skate. Trying to decide the National winners ahead of time just doesn't work.

RockTheTassel
06-02-2010, 04:58 PM
I'm not really seeing how Ashley's big mouth cost her an Olympic spot. When I heard her speaking about the Olympics in interviews, she seemed determined but also understood that she had a lot of competition. Not to make excuses, but I think part of her problem might have been that a lot of figure skating fans and bloggers said that she was the best bet for the team. She let the pressure and desire to skate at the Olympics get to her.

Sylvia
06-02-2010, 05:06 PM
But if they had to say that other international events would factor into the selection for the Olympic team in order not to split the profits with the IOC, and they didn't take them into due consideration, couldn't the IOC sue them for profits?
It's the USOC, not the IOC, that signed off on the USFS' 2010 Olympic selection guidelines ahead of time. Of course we the fans have no way of knowing for certain if and/or how (to what degree) "other international events" may have factored into the selection process, but there was a USOC representative that sat in on all the Olympic team selection meetings as an observer.

kwanfan1818
06-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Thank you!

Polymer Bob
06-02-2010, 05:51 PM
I would have to guess that if Ashley had made the podium at the GPF, she would have been spotted the 4 points she needed to make the team.

But I will never know.

RD
06-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I'm not really seeing how Ashley's big mouth cost her an Olympic spot. When I heard her speaking about the Olympics in interviews, she seemed determined but also understood that she had a lot of competition. Not to make excuses, but I think part of her problem might have been that a lot of figure skating fans and bloggers said that she was the best bet for the team. She let the pressure and desire to skate at the Olympics get to her.

I agree with this. In addition I'd put "big mouth" in quotations because I don't necessarily think she has one.

Of course there'd be more pressure on Wagner since she was the only American lady to qualify for the GPF while Nagasu and Flatt (our two eventual Olympians) basically crashed and burned. And- I say this over and over again but I thought Wagner actually did quite well considering the circumstances. If Nagasu had another mistake, Wagner would have gone to Vancouver WITH THE SAME PERFORMANCES. And had we three spots, ditto. I think she did the best she could. It's just too bad that the fall ended up costing her because the other two skaters nailed it when it counted most. So now we sit here saying things like "her 'big mouth' cost her the Oly spot" when the real culprit was her tendency to flub the SP. That has never really changed over the years. But at this Nationals, there was simply NO room for error. If you messed up the SP, you were out of it. Nagasu, Flatt, and Cohen were the ones in the driver's seat and more likely than not it would be two of those three, unless more than one messed up big in the FS.

EDIT

PB: IMO, regardless of what Wagner did before Nationals, the two that deserved the Oly ticket were Nagasu and Flatt. They skated their hearts out when the pressure was on, they earned it, they deserved it. Wagner did well for herself but ultimately it's about the two best skaters, and that fall cost her dearly.