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Marco
05-28-2010, 05:04 AM
I have never seen her as an underdog. She is just someone who makes mistakes and therefore screws herself big time. There is really no #1 US lady now so therefore I dont see how anyone can view themself as an underdog.

Exactly. Her only mistake was going for the lutz instead of the loop in the sp at Nationals. But other than that, she packed both programs with transitions, difficult passes, elements of the highest level and quality and very good polish and speed.

I think if she was clean in the sp her scoring in the lp would have been very different and she would have been to Vancouver with Mirai.

RD
05-28-2010, 09:25 PM
I don't see the "overconfidence" or "big game talk" that other folks are seeing in Wagner. Instead, I see someone very ambitious- who sets high standards and goals for herself and incidentally, unlike many other skaters, isn't afraid to keep those ambitions to herself. And why should she? I thought she was an athlete...she knows she has to work hard to get there and from the articles, seems like she is doing just that. I know some folks would rather let the skating do the talking but I think that's boring. :P

This season, she set a goal for herself: going to the Olys. She fell short, so she said she wants to try again in '14. Maybe I'm different or something but I don't see the outcry. She'll be what- 22? if she can stay healthy and keep improving it's definitely doable. If she succeeded in making Olys, I somehow think this would be a non-issue...

I've said this before, but the big thing she needs to do is strengthen her SP. Time after time she sabotages herself, digs herself a hole that she has to climb out of...this proved to be the difference at Nationals. Even with a very strong FS, she had to depend on mistakes from two of Nagasu, Flatt and Cohen. Cohen went as planned, but there was still Flatt and Nagasu. Flatt was her usual dependable self which left Nagasu as the wildcard. If Wagner had not fallen, I think she would have been going to Vancouver instead of Mirai.

I think she said she wanted to be part of the '11 team and help get 3 spots back for '12. She can definitely do it if she gets her SP down and her FS jumps under control. (Anyone think the "70% rule" might help her out?) Once she actually gets on the world team, though, things get tougher. Even at her best (unless Yuna, Rochette and Ando retire) I think she can hope for lower top 10, which is fine if she is paired with a Nagasu that can manage bronze or 4th. I'd say Flatt and Nagasu might be the best shot (especially with the stress of an Olympic year eliminated this time) but Flatt seems to have reached her peaking point...anyway, we'll see what happens.

P.S. I wonder what happened to her video blogs. I wonder if she will start doing those again, or whether it was just an experiment or something...

museksk8r
05-28-2010, 09:41 PM
Go Ashley! She and Mirai are my favorites of the current US ladies. :cheer2:

Polymer Bob
05-28-2010, 10:10 PM
I don't see the "overconfidence" or "big game talk" that other folks are seeing in Wagner.

Even with a very strong FS, she had to depend on mistakes from two of Nagasu, Flatt and Cohen. Cohen went as planned, but there was still Flatt and Nagasu. Flatt was her usual dependable self which left Nagasu as the wildcard. If Wagner had not fallen, I think she would have been going to Vancouver instead of Mirai.



Well, let's discuss "big talk". The USFSA put out some "big talk" for a year and a half on how certain international events would factor into the Olympic team .... not just Nationals. Ashley was the only U.S. lady to make the Final. How much did that factor in? It seems not much? Could making the Final be considered worth 4 more points at Nationals?

In all 4 disciplines, National results were the only factor.

RockTheTassel
05-28-2010, 10:16 PM
I actually love Ashley's determination and focus with skating. I agree with RD that she seems ambitious but not overconfident. There's nothing wrong with talking about your goals as long as you're not arrogant or saying nasty things about other skaters.

I'm really hoping it's Ashley and Mirai on the World team next season. I think Rachael has peaked, and Christina and Agnes don't seem quite ready. 2011 is most likely Ashley's best shot, and it's possible if she skates clean.

IceKween
05-29-2010, 01:59 AM
Well, let's discuss "big talk". The USFSA put out some "big talk" for a year and a half on how certain international events would factor into the Olympic team .... not just Nationals. Ashley was the only U.S. lady to make the Final. How much did that factor in? It seems not much? Could making the Final be considered worth 4 more points at Nationals?

In all 4 disciplines, National results were the only factor.

I agree with your point. Why even have a list of other criteriae if only Nationals matters? HOWEVER, imo Nagasu gave the winning performance at Nationals but got dinged (unfairly in some instances) on UR's which only seemed to be a political move for Flatt to go into the Olys with the National title to maybe boost her scores for her boring skating. Yes, Ashley was 4 points behind Nagasu at Nationals, but had Nagasu been scored properly, as she was at the Olympics and Worlds, she would have walked away with the title and blown away Flatt, let alone Wagner.

Were there any other questionable calls. I don't remember Keanu and Rockne setting the world on fire for the last year, so they needed to earn it at Nats. But did anyone else make GPF and not the Oly team?

falling_dance
05-29-2010, 02:01 AM
But did anyone else make GPF and not the Oly team?

No.

Polymer Bob
05-29-2010, 02:09 AM
I've said this before, but the big thing she needs to do is strengthen her SP. Time after time she sabotages herself, digs herself a hole that she has to climb out of...this proved to be the difference at Nationals.

Ashley is a strong free skater. I felt sorry for her at last year's Junior Worlds. Caroline was 8 places beneath her after the short, yet finished above her. That must have hurt. Then there was her heart problem.

IceKween
05-29-2010, 02:29 AM
Ashley is a strong free skater. Then there was her heart problem.

Que?

smarts1
05-29-2010, 02:39 AM
Que?

You didn't know? There wasn't much fuss made of it anyway.... But anyway, during Junior Worlds, she found that her heart was beating very fast and they found that it was because of stress and dehydration.

caseyedwards
05-29-2010, 02:40 AM
Wagner, among the women who will begin competition Thursday at the U.S. figure skating championships in Spokane, Wash., developed heart palpitations while in Sofia, Bulgaria, last February for the junior world championships.

USA TODAY

Indra486
05-29-2010, 03:16 AM
Wagner, among the women who will begin competition Thursday at the U.S. figure skating championships in Spokane, Wash., developed heart palpitations while in Sofia, Bulgaria, last February for the junior world championships.

USA TODAY

Is that permanent or has her heart palpitations been taken care of?

IceKween
05-29-2010, 03:40 AM
Can she not take beta blockers for that, or are they banned substances?

I cannot imagine how a beta blocker could ever help a freeskate, maybe a SP. But she'd never get through a freeskate with medical load of BB.

Is it nerves? Eating disorder?

caseyedwards
05-29-2010, 04:11 AM
"Once I got home, I went straight to the doctor and made sure that everything was OK structurally and I wasn't really in any danger," said Wagner, who was born in Germany as the daughter of a U.S. Army officer.

"Now, I just have to stay hydrated, and I have to stay calm."


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/vancouver/figureskating/2010-01-18-wagner_N.htm

RD
05-29-2010, 04:51 AM
I agree with your point. Why even have a list of other criteriae if only Nationals matters? HOWEVER, imo Nagasu gave the winning performance at Nationals but got dinged (unfairly in some instances) on UR's which only seemed to be a political move for Flatt to go into the Olys with the National title to maybe boost her scores for her boring skating. Yes, Ashley was 4 points behind Nagasu at Nationals, but had Nagasu been scored properly, as she was at the Olympics and Worlds, she would have walked away with the title and blown away Flatt, let alone Wagner.

Not to beat this dead horse (again) but I agree- except for the "political" comment. Then again, people were arguing that Flatt should have gotten the title last year instead of Czisny. I tell you, the judging at Nats (at least in the ladies' event) has been sketchy and controversial the past two years...maybe it was always like that but it's only more obvious now that there is no clear leader...

Not sure what the point is here...do people think that because of her GPF qualification, Wagner should have been given the ticket? I can understand if she won GPF, or even medaled, but she merely made the cut. Besides, getting into the GPF is as much about the draw you get as it is how well you skate...I think the USFS knows this. Wagner controlled her own fate at Nats...it was unfortunate that we had only 2 spots and not 3, or this would be a non-issue. Of course it was going to be very competitive and someone would go home very disappointed. If it wasn't Wagner, then it would be Nagasu, or Flatt, etc. (I'm not including Zhang or Czisny because they took themselves out of contention early and weren't "close but not quite there")