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dr.frog
05-20-2010, 04:36 PM
What a pleasure to see a lady who can do both a flip and lutz from the proper edge and do a triple loop. (her spirals not so much) I wonder if the rash of tiny jumping little flutzers with bendy positions we have had here in the US was a reaction-the last thing anyone of them wanted was to remind anyone of Tonya in any way whatsoever.

Well, don't forget that the first little (well, young) flutzer with bendy positions who started the whole craze was.... (drum roll...) Nicole Bobek. :lol:

Spiralgraph
05-20-2010, 04:49 PM
...If Tonya had been given proper direction on costumes, choreography (which was still quite good under Flowers), etc., she could have pulled off a lot of different things IMO. Maybe not the super-pretty-pretty stuff (is there a :gag: icon? ;)), but who wants to watch that schlock anyway?


I may have to disagree a little, Tonya may have been given better programs at some points but whether she actually accepted advice and assistance or even "better" programs is another matter entirely. Considering she threw off advice to go to the 1994 Olympics earlier to adjust to the time change and ignored that wisdom, I have a feeling Tonya didn't take advice well. She was her own worst enemy.

Yazmeen
05-20-2010, 06:44 PM
Absolutely agree that she was her own worst enemy; Tonya's biggest obstacle wasn't other skaters, judges, or USFS, but Tonya herself. She deserves a PLATINUM medal for squandering talent, opportunity, and multiple chances at becoming the best.

I would tie her with Midori as the greatest jumper ever. Greatest skater? Not a chance, there's more to skating than powerful jumps and crossovers. She didn't have the grace and fluidity of other ladies with great jumps such as Michelle or Yu Na or the plain charm of someone like Tara.

judgejudy27
05-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Tara charming? To each their own I guess. I would rate Yu Na a great jumper, Kwan I would rate only a very good one at best.

briancoogaert
05-20-2010, 07:32 PM
I guess it's more of a cheering thread for Tonya, but IMO, she is not at all the greatest ever.
Powerful jumps and crossovers. But nothing more into her skating. No steps, no lightness...
IMO, Midori Ito is the only one with the power and a bit of the rest ! YuNa is the perfect balance.

miki88
05-20-2010, 08:10 PM
Tonya is not the greatest skater, but I consider her to be one of the most naturally talented skaters, at least in terms of sheer athleticism. The girl reportedly did not practice that much, yet she was still able to pull off those amazing jumps without much effort. If only she were a little more dedicated to her sport..... :hat1:

neptune
05-20-2010, 09:42 PM
I may have to disagree a little, Tonya may have been given better programs at some points but whether she actually accepted advice and assistance or even "better" programs is another matter entirely. Considering she threw off advice to go to the 1994 Olympics earlier to adjust to the time change and ignored that wisdom, I have a feeling Tonya didn't take advice well. She was her own worst enemy.

I can agree with that. I'm just saying that Tonya didn't have the best steering and guidance throughout her career, especially :duh: from her parents.

neptune
05-20-2010, 09:46 PM
She didn't have the grace and fluidity of other ladies with great jumps such as Michelle or Yu Na or the plain charm of someone like Tara.

But Tonya had great spins as well. Are "grace" and "fluidity" that important, though, for being a great skater? I guess it all depends on how you define great skating.


many skaters refused working with her (IIRC Lipinski was one of them)

That surprises me a bit--I didn't know that. I would have expected younger skaters to be more open to skating with Tonya. I wonder if most of that was coming from Tara herself or her parents?

skatinsandy
05-21-2010, 02:23 PM
she's definately the most known skater of all time

Marco
05-21-2010, 03:00 PM
(I'm bored)

But it's true.

I am salivating over this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3P7wxwMMUU&
(kudos to Tony Wheeler for the link :respec:)

Best jumper ever. Strong SS too. As for the rest... Well :shuffle:.

Still. I can't think of any female skaters with technical skills that outstanding, overall.

When I look at Asada cheat her 3axels and Kim cheat her 3/3s, I want to tie them down "A Clockwork Orange" style and shout: 'THIS IS HOW IT'S DONE, SUCKERS!'

:respec:

We can say "if only" to virtually anyone. At least she delivered a few memorable performances and can be remembered for something positive.

She puts Kerrigan to shame, btw.

leafygreens
05-21-2010, 06:09 PM
Theoretically she can coach in Canada or elsewhere, can she not?
But even if she moves, willskaters go to her?

Would love to see that - but if she is too unstable enough to skate herself, how can she be stable enough to coach? Would she show up every day on time to teach? Would she be there for all the competitions? Would some life event get in the way (arrest, relationship, etc.)? It would be awful if she subconciously sabotaged a student the way she sabotaged herself.

museksk8r
05-21-2010, 06:26 PM
She's easily the best female jumper in the history of US figure skating. I even liked her 3Axel better than Midori Ito's, personally. I also thought she was a powerful spinner and she had great skating skills. She should have won Olympic bronze in 1992, IMO. Sure, she didn't have Kerrigan's body line/spiral and choreography, but everything else about Tonya's skating was superior over Nancy's from 1991-1992. It just once again goes to show how extremely important it is in figure skating to skate a clean SP. Nancy's SP saved her the bronze spot on the podium in 1992.

Marco
05-21-2010, 06:55 PM
She's easily the best female jumper in the history of US figure skating. I even liked her 3Axel better than Midori Ito's, personally. I also thought she was a powerful spinner and she had great skating skills. She should have won Olympic bronze in 1992, IMO. Sure, she didn't have Kerrigan's body line/spiral and choreography, but everything else about Tonya's skating was superior over Nancy's from 1991-1992. It just once again goes to show how extremely important it is in figure skating to skate a clean SP. Nancy's SP saved her the bronze spot on the podium in 1992.

:rofl:

museksk8r
05-21-2010, 07:03 PM
:rofl:

:lol: I totally understand why you would laugh at Nancy's choreo, generally speaking. I generally would laugh too, but her '92 LP was one of the couple times I felt she had good program construction, at least in comparison to Tonya Harding. The other time was the Beauty and the Beast LP in 1993. Plus, I felt Nancy's music in '92 and '93 for the LP was much better than Tonya's music choices for her LPs those years. Every other program of Nancy's I agree was laughable in terms of music choice and choreography. :D Her SP music in 1992 and her LP music and choreo in 1994 in particular were pants wetting in its cheesiness. :P Tonya's long programs were so disjointed in their music cuts and laugh worthy too. ;)

Triple Butz
05-21-2010, 07:33 PM
:lol: I totally understand why you would laugh at Nancy's choreo, generally speaking. I generally would laugh too, but her '92 LP was one of the couple times I felt she had good program construction, at least in comparison to Tonya Harding. The other time was the Beauty and the Beast LP in 1993. Plus, I felt Nancy's music in '92 and '93 for the LP was much better than Tonya's music choices for her LPs those years. Every other program of Nancy's I agree was laughable in terms of music choice and choreography. :D Her SP music in 1992 and her LP music and choreo in 1994 in particular were pants wetting in its cheesiness. :P Tonya's long programs were so disjointed in their music cuts and laugh worthy too. ;)

I would agree if it weren't for the spanish porn aerobics mid section. That arm variation on the sit spin in her combination set to the siren noise in the background cracks me up, too. How did Paul Wylie get away from Mary's awful choreography?