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Helenista
05-17-2010, 06:05 AM
I'm with you Fandango; it should have been brilliant and it was mediocre and disappointing. I hope these guys on the way up can raise the bar.

caseyedwards
05-18-2010, 03:13 AM
Brezina has said that he will be adding the quad next season. (maybe both). I don't see why the eventual plan couldn't be to put the quads in the short, but I"m thinking if he does that it won't be next season. As for jumps in the second half, he already does a lot of those...

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I think the only way Brezina would do something like that is if many skaters did it. Maybe quads only work to win in a mostly all quad environment.

blue_idealist
05-18-2010, 04:06 AM
My pick is Brezina, but we'll see. I'm not sure right now if Chan is headed upward - he may not get that much better. There's Amodio, Ten, Kozuka (I have a feeling he'll be very strong), the usual suspects who everyone's mentioned. I think though if Jeremy Abbott stays around, and gets over his nerves, he could do something big.

kwanfan1818
05-18-2010, 04:41 AM
4 years ago who would have ever predicted Lysacek to be the 2010 Olympic Champion though.
I'm not sure about champion, but he was a good bet for a medal after coming from 10th in the SP skating sick as a dog and placing third in the FS.

bek
05-18-2010, 04:53 AM
I think the only way Brezina would do something like that is if many skaters did it. Maybe quads only work to win in a mostly all quad environment.

I don't think so. If Brezina could do the quads consistently and get decent levels, than his base values will be huge compared to everyone elses. The point is nobody right now can do the jumps and levels consistently.

judgejudy27
05-18-2010, 08:28 AM
I'm not sure about champion, but he was a good bet for a medal after coming from 10th in the SP skating sick as a dog and placing third in the FS.

4 years is a long time and it is not like he was one of the best skaters at the time of the 2006 Olympics either. In the FS he and Plushenko were the only two who didnt crash and burn and in fact skated absolutely clean which is how he placed 3rd in the FS. Had everyone skated their best he would have been about 7th in Turin.

Allen
05-18-2010, 08:41 AM
At the 2004 Nationals in Atlanta, I remember not being very impressed with Evan. In fact, a lady in front of me said that "he will be Olympic champion 1 day" and I totally rolled my eyes. I just didn't see it then and the only reason I see it now is because it happened :)

So, based on that, perhaps Rippon will be Olympic champion because the first time I saw him skate live, I was really let down. The subsequent times, however, I really warmed to his skating. The difference could be Morozov versus, well, not Morozov, but I'm not sure.

I like Brezina and all, but I just don't see him as Olympic champion. In all honesty, no one is screaming Olympic gold medalist to me right now and that is actually kind of exciting. I like that there is such a large group of up and comers. I really like Fernandez despite the Morozov factor. Denis Ten is a really exciting skater that I think will really mature with Frank Carroll. I don't know why exactly I've never warmed to Patrick Chan, I generally like arrogant athletes and he has beautiful basics, so I'm not sure what it is.

I don't remember ever being excited about the men for an upcoming cycle, but it definitely feels the most exciting to me out of the four disciplines.

kwanfan1818
05-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Had everyone skated their best he would have been about 7th in Turin.
The reason Lysacek has been a perpetual contender is that he regularly skated his best or close to it, while his main competition routinely did not. Plushenko was the only consistent champion among his competitors, and within a year or so after Turin, he was not in good shape nor was he considered a likely skater to come back.

bek
05-18-2010, 03:56 PM
The reason Lysacek has been a perpetual contender is that he regularly skated his best or close to it, while his main competition routinely did not. Plushenko was the only consistent champion among his competitors, and within a year or so after Turin, he was not in good shape nor was he considered a likely skater to come back.

Exactly. The whole point is what can you do under pressure, not what can you do in practice. Evan is sort of like a Katerina Witt (although in fairness to Witt, Katerina did introduce the 3flip although she wasn't doing it when she was dominating) Really not the best skater technically of his day in age, but the best competitor.

This is a sport, and if you want to win you have to be able to compete. Its about what you can deliver under pressure, not what you can do in practice.

It would be wonderful if the champions we got all the time were people like Asada, Kim, Yagudin, but those types of skaters are special because they are rare.

judgejudy27
05-18-2010, 04:02 PM
The reason Lysacek has been a perpetual contender is that he regularly skated his best or close to it, while his main competition routinely did not. Plushenko was the only consistent champion among his competitors, and within a year or so after Turin, he was not in good shape nor was he considered a likely skater to come back.

Evan was not that consistent a skater either himself back in 2006. He pretty much never did 2 clean programs. The only times he did clean longs are when he had screwed up the short. There was no reason to believe he was suddenly going to morph into that at that point in time, nor that mens skating was going to become the chaotic mess it has been the last 2 years.

bek
05-18-2010, 04:05 PM
Evan was not that consistent a skater either himself back in 2006. He pretty much never did 2 clean programs. The only times he did clean longs are when he had screwed up the short. There was no reason to believe he was suddenly going to morph into that at that point in time.

I think there was plenty of reason to believe that a guy who managed to medal at his first Worlds, was probably going to turn out to be a pretty good competitor.

judgejudy27
05-18-2010, 04:09 PM
I think there was plenty of reason to believe that a guy who managed to medal at his first Worlds, was probably going to turn out to be a pretty good competitor. Its not like he medaled with 2 falls ala Jeff.

All I said was back in 2006 there was pretty much nobody who would have called him to be the next Olympic Champion at that point. Spin it however you want but in reality if a poll was held at that point he would have gotten almost no votes. So given that it seems almost pointless to consider who the next mens Olympic Champion is going to be now.

kwanfan1818
05-18-2010, 04:54 PM
So given that it seems almost pointless to consider who the next mens Olympic Champion is going to be now.
Or perhaps the point is to distinguish between who we want to be Olympic Champion and who would be Olympic Champion :saint:

judgejudy27
05-18-2010, 05:05 PM
Or perhaps the point is to distinguish between who we want to be Olympic Champion and who would be Olympic Champion :saint:

It will probably be someone no suspects at this point yet again. Nobody would have picked Kulik to win the 98 Olympic Gold in 94. Virtually nobody would have picked Evan for gold in 2010 in 2006. In 92 maybe some considered Urmanov for 94, but before the Olympics itself nobody gave him much hope of even a medal.

bek
05-18-2010, 05:17 PM
My thread though wasn't meant to be a who will be the Olympic champion in Sochi, because I truly don't think we can predict that right now. There are two many unforeseen things. Kulik is a great example of this, nobody would have predicted him because he wasn't even on the Senior scene at this time if I recall...

I do think though we can kind of predict who is going to be successful in the next couple of years, and who will still be in the "hunt" (baring injuries) by Sochi.

I.e for me everyone talks about Adam Rippon, and I agree that he's got great qualities.. But I'm not sure if I really believe that Adam is going to be a world champion someday because for me at this part, Adam still doesn't even have a consistent triple axel....I was impressed with him delivering the triple axels at junior worlds and Four Continents though...

When I mentioned Brezina it was more of all the young stars, I have this feeling that he while he may be the one most ready to break out quickly. Because he's the best jumper of all the young stars, and maybe one of the stronger ones mentally. That's a dangerous combination.