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missflick
05-15-2010, 10:12 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports2006/ci_15090871

geod2
05-15-2010, 06:25 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports2006/ci_15090871


Thank you for that article.

At least we know more about the coaching change and where she ended up in that regard.



Ironic, though, that getting Biontano and Leaver involved was supposed to be about her hearing it said in different words or something like that...the same rationale for her current coaching switch.

The "I got scared" explanation for her Nationals meltdown has a familiar ring to it.

Wishing her the best, and it would be great to see her wonderful style and spins on the competitive ice one more season, but this coaching change all comes very late in the game for her chronologically speaking

tarotx
05-15-2010, 07:18 PM
I think Czisny's meltdown at nationals can be explained by nearly every US lady skater having their worst ever nationals the year after they win it the first time and/or the first time they are expected to win it. Czisny just had a long ways to fall to have her worst showing :P

Any way I think Yuka's strong basic's and clam could be the perfect coach for Alissa. I wanted Sasha to go to her for the same reason.

smarts1
05-15-2010, 07:42 PM
I really don't think it's the coaching situation for her.... She really needs a good sports psycologist to help her figure things out....

dr.frog
05-15-2010, 08:28 PM
:confused: Czisny's problem isn't her head, it's her scary jump technique. :yikes: I wish her well, but.... it's probably 5 or 10 years too late for her to fix that, even with a new coach.

Iceman
05-15-2010, 10:36 PM
Jeremy had already won nationals the year before he went to Sato and a Grand Prix final. So a ninth place finish at the Olympics and an inability to defend his Grand Prix title (4th), hardly demonstrate that this was such a successful move on his part.
I wonder why Czisny is continuing. If it is to redeem herself, that could turn out disappointing. That being said, I like to watch her---although invariably disappointed--so I look forward to seeing her new programs and her always beautiful costumes. Her jump technique is scary. It seems to always be like a roll of the dice with a lot of luck needed. Too bad, she couldn't correct it earlier, but if Boitano and Leaver couldn't help her do that, I doubt anyone can.

neptune
05-15-2010, 10:37 PM
:confused: Czisny's problem isn't her head, it's her scary jump technique. :yikes: I wish her well, but.... it's probably 5 or 10 years too late for her to fix that, even with a new coach.

Maybe Czisny's biggest problem is an inability to identify her problem. Without an accurate diagnosis, you probably won't get very far.

Dr.Siouxs
05-15-2010, 10:38 PM
:confused: Czisny's problem isn't her head, it's her scary jump technique. :yikes: I wish her well, but.... it's probably 5 or 10 years too late for her to fix that, even with a new coach.

She's already admitted to letting nerves get to her in competition...but I'm sure you know better. :rolleyes:

OliviaPug
05-15-2010, 11:05 PM
She's already admitted to letting nerves get to her in competition...but I'm sure you know better. :rolleyes:

I am sure nerves did play a part. But, as much as I love Alissa's skating, it is clear from watching Alissa all these years that she has poor technique on her jumps. I have no doubt that Alissa pulls off her jumps better in practice (most skaters do). The nerves just contribute to her inability to land her poorly executed jumps when she needs to in competition. Perfecting proper jump technique helps a skater land the jumps with or without nerves. I'm sure Alissa knows that her technique is not the best, but it's not something that every skater is able to correct. But Alissa does so many other things so beautifully that she has the capability of doing quite well even when all her jumps aren't landed. I'm glad she's continuing on next season. She's always a pleasure to watch.

O-

jlai
05-15-2010, 11:28 PM
Jeremy had already won nationals the year before he went to Sato and a Grand Prix final. So a ninth place finish at the Olympics and an inability to defend his Grand Prix title (4th), hardly demonstrate that this was such a successful move on his part.


For Jeremy this is a good mature move. He's gotten to the age when many people are living on their own.

Someone mentioned a while back Alissa's lack of a money jump. Jeremy, despite suffering from nerves, can usually count on his triple flip, triple toe combo and the easier jumps. Alissa doesn't seem to have jumps that she can count on when she's under intense pressure.

pinky166
05-16-2010, 05:28 PM
For Jeremy this is a good mature move. He's gotten to the age when many people are living on their own.

Someone mentioned a while back Alissa's lack of a money jump. Jeremy, despite suffering from nerves, can usually count on his triple flip, triple toe combo and the easier jumps. Alissa doesn't seem to have jumps that she can count on when she's under intense pressure.

This is true. I mean, Alissa has issues with her lutz, flip and loop and doesn't attempt a salchow. She has a solid triple toe and her 2a has gotten a lot better recently but that's not enough to go places. She has never had a 3-3 either. To me, her jump technique doesn't look scary (it used to circa 2004-2007 before she worked on her technique) she just never seems to get much height on them and she doesn't have a lot of speed either so the combination just makes for inconsistent jumps. Alissa had great success internationally in 2005 but that was before judges started cracking down on URs, which she is constantly being issued now.

Marco
05-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Oh. Please just stay pretty and spin.

Coco
05-17-2010, 02:00 AM
I don't see her jump success rate changing until she gets some more muscle.

smarts1
05-17-2010, 02:49 AM
I am sure nerves did play a part. But, as much as I love Alissa's skating, it is clear from watching Alissa all these years that she has poor technique on her jumps. I have no doubt that Alissa pulls off her jumps better in practice (most skaters do). The nerves just contribute to her inability to land her poorly executed jumps when she needs to in competition. Perfecting proper jump technique helps a skater land the jumps with or without nerves. I'm sure Alissa knows that her technique is not the best, but it's not something that every skater is able to correct. But Alissa does so many other things so beautifully that she has the capability of doing quite well even when all her jumps aren't landed. I'm glad she's continuing on next season. She's always a pleasure to watch.

O-


It's definitely in her head. We've seen her give great performances at times and ugly ones at other times... Of course her technique needs some work (although it is better than what it used to be and really one of the biggest issue she has at the moment is her cautiousness and her head bobbing) and she needs to be more forceful and less cautious.

pinky166
05-17-2010, 02:51 AM
I don't see her jump success rate changing until she gets some more muscle.

I know, she looks very thin and waiflike out there compared to the likes of Ashley Wagner and Joannie Rochette.