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museksk8r
10-30-2010, 10:18 AM
Would you - or anyone else - mind explaining what it wrong with Rippon's crossovers? I'm not a skater and although I can pretty much tell one jump from another, but I'm afraid my crossover education is quite weak!

He pumps his back and does a lot of two-foot skating. Rippon is a fine skater, but to me he is no dancer like Lambiel and Abbott. Their movement is more fluid than Adam's, IMO.

jlai
10-30-2010, 11:00 PM
Messing, Dornbush, Hochstein have the highest international scores (190+) of the younger guys.

Hochstein's chances will depend on whether he'll master a 3A. I hope he will, but perhaps not in time for this nationals. :(

ryanbfan
10-31-2010, 03:14 AM
Ryan's lastest tweet:

"Is it possible to make a comeback if you don't take a season off?"


:cheer2:

chipso1
10-31-2010, 03:37 AM
I don't think Caluza and Gonzales will be challenging for the podium at Nationals, anyway, triple Axel or not.

I agree that gold and silver is between Rippon and Abbott, and bronze will be contested between 6-7 different guys. Here's how they stack up this season:

Jeremy Abbott, NHK Trophy (218.19)
Brandon Mroz, SW Regionals (198.56)
Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Nebelhorn (196.17)
Richard Dornbush, JGP Germany (195.23)
Joshua Farris, JGP Sheffield (187.74)
Keegan Messing, JGP Romania (187.38)
Ross Miner, NHK Trophy (186.62)
Alex Johnson, SW Regionals (184.60)

Grant Hochstein, Finlandia Trophy (183.51)
Andrew Gonzales, SWP Regionals (182.11)
Jason Brown, JGP Courchevel (180.57)
Jason Wong, Nebelhorn, (179.55)
Sean Rabbitt, SWP Regionals (176.29)
Jonathan Cassar, Finlandia Trophy (171.95)
Scott Dyer, SA Regionals (168.24)
William Brewster, Coupe de Nice (167.67)

Adam Rippon scored 166+ for his Japan Open free skate, and he competes this week at Skate Canada.

Rippon's score of 233.04 at Skate Canada is the highest of any U.S. man so far this season. Hochstein scored just below his Finlandia total with 181.65 en route to a 10th place finish.

newbatgirl
10-31-2010, 03:51 AM
Ryan's lastest tweet:

"Is it possible to make a comeback if you don't take a season off?"

A hint!? :D

Anyone else just picture Ryan in a hoodie rapping "I'm gonna knock you out"?

Just me?

Fine.

For you young 'uns, I'm referring to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vimZj8HW0Kg).

I think this would make an excellent SP for Ryan! :)

purple skates
10-31-2010, 05:39 AM
Would you - or anyone else - mind explaining what it wrong with Rippon's crossovers? I'm not a skater and although I can pretty much tell one jump from another, but I'm afraid my crossover education is quite weak!

Ideally, a skater does crossovers with a firm back and long, smooth cross strokes. In the past, Adam has had a more rounded and less firm back, which resulted in a pumping motion. His cross strokes were not particularly long, either.

I have seen much improvement in this area this year. Obviously, he and Brian Orser have worked on it over the summer. I think he still needs to improve on them, and I also think shame on whomever was his coach (and judges) for Intermediate Moves in the Field because the pumping should have been stopped at that level, not being worked on now.

Marlowe
11-01-2010, 05:22 AM
Thanks Museksk8r and sk8er1964! :) Got it!

Squibble
11-14-2010, 05:20 AM
I expect Rippon to win Nationals easily.

Okay....

:watch:

Sylvia
11-15-2010, 04:32 PM
U.S. Senior Men top international scores so far and/or high Sectional/Regional score (italicized):

Adam Rippon, Skate Canada (233.04)
Jeremy Abbott, NHK Trophy (218.19)
Brandon Mroz, Cup of China (216.80)
Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Skate America (211.17)

Jason Brown, Midwesterns, 1st (197.98)
Ross Miner, Cup of China (197.13)
Richard Dornbush, JGP Germany (195.23)
Grant Hochstein, Midwesterns 2nd (191.22)
Joshua Farris, JGP Sheffield (187.74)
Keegan Messing, JGP Romania (187.38)
Douglas Razzano, Ice Challenge (185.70)
Jonathan Cassar, Pacific Coasts 1st (184.66)
Alexander Johnson, SW Regionals 2nd (184.60)
Stephen Carriere, Skate America (184.20)
Grant Hochstein, Finlandia Trophy (183.51)
Scott Dyer, Easterns 1st (182.27)
Andrew Gonzales, SWP Regionals 1st (182.11)
Jason Brown, JGP Courchevel (180.57)
Jason Wong, Nebelhorn (179.55)
Christopher Caluza, Pacific Coasts 2nd (178.19)
Sean Rabbitt, SWP Regionals 2nd (176.29)
Parker Pennington, Midwesterns 3rd (176.26)
Jonathan Cassar, Finlandia Trophy (171.95)
William Brewster, Coupe de Nice (167.67) – Mids 5th (DNQ for Nationals)
Wesley Campbell, Easterns 3rd (160.41)
Lloyd Ting, Easterns 4th (150.54)

First year Seniors at Nationals: Miner (WD last year due to injury), Brown J1, Farris J2, Dyer J4, Caluza J8, Rabbitt J11, Ting (first trip ever to "big" Nationals).

Cup of Russia: Abbott
TEB: Mroz
JGP Final: Dornbush, Messing, Farris, Aaron (J3, staying jr.)

Squibble
11-15-2010, 05:34 PM
Alexander Johnson, SW Regionals 2nd (184.60)
Jonathan Cassar, Pacific Coasts 1st (184.66)

Close, but wrong order. :COP:

jlai
11-16-2010, 01:07 AM
US Men-Having done so well the last 2 years, I expect the tide to turn a bit in favor of, say, the Japanese men.

Having seen Adam live at SA, it's obvous he doesn't have the speed and smoothness of Dai. Or even Oda. Until he manages to beat at least one of the top guys I don't think he's arrived --yet. He needs speed/smoothness and a quad, or at least one of the two.

I hope Jeremy will keep improving his performing skills because he'll need every bit of that against such a tough field of skaters like Dai or Oda.

Sylvia
12-04-2010, 09:21 PM
U.S. Senior Men top international scores so far and/or high Sectional/Regional score (italicized):

Adam Rippon, Skate Canada (233.04)
Jeremy Abbott, NHK Trophy (218.19)
Brandon Mroz, Cup of China (216.80)
Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Skate America (211.17)

Jason Brown, Midwesterns, 1st (197.98)
Ross Miner, Cup of China (197.13)
Richard Dornbush, JGP Germany (195.23)
Grant Hochstein, Midwesterns 2nd (191.22)
Joshua Farris, JGP Sheffield (187.74)
Keegan Messing, JGP Romania (187.38)
Douglas Razzano, Ice Challenge (185.70)
Jonathan Cassar, Pacific Coasts 1st (184.66)
Alexander Johnson, SW Regionals 2nd (184.60)
Stephen Carriere, Skate America (184.20)
Grant Hochstein, Finlandia Trophy (183.51)
Scott Dyer, Easterns 1st (182.27)
Andrew Gonzales, SWP Regionals 1st (182.11)
Jason Brown, JGP Courchevel (180.57)
Jason Wong, Nebelhorn (179.55)
Christopher Caluza, Pacific Coasts 2nd (178.19)
Sean Rabbitt, SWP Regionals 2nd (176.29)
Parker Pennington, Midwesterns 3rd (176.26)
Jonathan Cassar, Finlandia Trophy (171.95)
William Brewster, Coupe de Nice (167.67) – Mids 5th (DNQ for Nationals)
Wesley Campbell, Easterns 3rd (160.41)
Lloyd Ting, Easterns 4th (150.54)

First year Seniors at Nationals: Miner (WD last year due to injury), Brown J1, Farris J2, Dyer J4, Caluza J8, Rabbitt J11, Ting (first trip ever to "big" Nationals).

JGP Final: Dornbush, Messing, Farris, Aaron (J3, staying jr.)
GP Final 1st-3rd alternates: Abbott (24 points), Mroz (22 points), Rippon (20 points)

judgejudy27
12-05-2010, 02:17 AM
US Men-Having done so well the last 2 years, I expect the tide to turn a bit in favor of, say, the Japanese men.

Having seen Adam live at SA, it's obvous he doesn't have the speed and smoothness of Dai. Or even Oda. Until he manages to beat at least one of the top guys I don't think he's arrived --yet. He needs speed/smoothness and a quad, or at least one of the two.

I hope Jeremy will keep improving his performing skills because he'll need every bit of that against such a tough field of skaters like Dai or Oda.

Jeremy and Rippon are not on par with the top men in the World today. It is really the Japenese men vs Chan at the moment, with Chan having a 5 fall advantage on the rest for now. Jeremy and Rippon currently are like Weir the later years of his career, good but not good enough, even if they skate well. If one of them delivers their best at Worlds they will likely find a similar result to what Weir found skating his best in Vancouver, 6th or maybe 5th place. Only Lysacek can compete with the big guns and he is taking the year off.

Sylvia
12-05-2010, 02:36 AM
^^^ Maybe the above (familiar sounding) discussion could continue in a thread other than this one? Just a suggestion.


I will be very interested to see whether or not 9 different U.S. men are assigned to 2011 Four Continents, Junior Worlds, and Worlds.
dinakt originally replied to me in the U.S. Ladies Junior Worlds Team Poll thread as follows:
Would it be your wish? Is it more advantageous with such a deep and pretty even field to spread competitions around to give everybody a chance, or is it wiser to give top skaters one more competition opportunity if they wish it? Same question applies to Men, though the leaders there are a bit more pronounced.
...
With Men [2011 Junior Worlds team selection] it's a bit of a different story, as I imagine score differential might be much greater.
What do you all think?

For me, it will depend on the 2011 Nationals results and how the top finishers skate in both programs. Also, will Ryan Bradley show up at Nationals and, if so, how will he skate in his first competition of the season?

The top 3 finishers at Nationals usually are given the choice of whether or not they want to compete at Four Continents (there is prize money involved and the difference in ISU World Standings points for 4CC is much greater than Junior Worlds now). 2011 4CC is scheduled to happen 2 weeks after Nationals and in Asia (Taipei, Taiwan).

The 2 youngest Senior "rookies" at Nationals, Joshua Farris and Jason Brown, were both 15 as of July 1, 2010, and so are old enough for Four Continents/Worlds. The other Junior Worlds age-eligible candidates in Senior are Armin Mahbanoozadeh, Keegan Messing and Richard Dornbush (all in their final season of eligibility). ETA: The 2011 U.S. Junior men's champ may also be considered if he skates/scores extremely well and is age-eligible.

dinakt
12-05-2010, 04:08 AM
If Armin keeps skating well, but just misses the World team, I would love to see him get
both 4CC and Junior Worlds- he has a great chance of winning the latter and boosting himself for the next season ( if he decides to postpone his studies again... did he say anything about it? he made sooooo much progress this year!). Though doing Nationals/ 4CC/ JW seems like a punishing schedule... let's say I'd like Armin to go wherever he chooses to his best advantage:) The other Junior- eligible skaters have to duke it out based on JGPF and Nationals.