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Debbie S
05-11-2010, 07:12 PM
I am not Christian and am ethnically Jewish but not observant. However, I find it nice when people wish me a merry Christmas or whatever holiday they are celebrating. I just take it as good wishes and say it back.I don't have a problem with that. This particular card (I don't remember a lot - it was 9 years ago) was just really super-religious, almost proselytizing (sp?). And like I said, the girl was young, and I thought maybe a little hint from mgmt (not directly, I didn't name names) would be a good idea for her personally, and it wouldn't hurt for others to be aware of the issue.

But given that she was a recent college grad, I was almost a bit more annoyed....b/c shouldn't someone educated (in our modern times, lol) not be quite so clueless?

my little pony
05-11-2010, 07:16 PM
But given that she was a recent college grad, I was almost a bit more annoyed....b/c shouldn't someone educated (in our modern times, lol) not be quite so clueless?

lol, you reminded me that when I was that age I'm pretty sure I gave out cards I got for free and probably had no idea what they said

IceAlisa
05-11-2010, 07:17 PM
But given that she was a recent college grad, I was almost a bit more annoyed....b/c shouldn't someone educated (in our modern times, lol) not be quite so clueless?

Oh the things educated people do. It's a whole other thread. In PI.

Rob
05-11-2010, 07:19 PM
They got a complaint from a girl of Chinese descent who said that when they ordered Chinese food it objectified her and she expected HR to make them stop it.

But was it food from a Chinese restaurant? If it was a Thai or Japanese restaurant, and everyone called it Chinese food (a la the old 60s notion that anything or anyone Asian is Chinese), I might see her point. But how do you distinguish Chinese food from Thai or Japanese (very different) if you don't call it Chinese. I wonder how she refers to Mexican or Indian food?

ITA with Andora, if people order the food with fake accents or jokes etc. that is another issue. My brother will ask if we want to go for Indian food using a fake Indian accent and I always tell him "not if you are going to speak in that manner."

Debbie S
05-11-2010, 07:21 PM
lol, you reminded me that when I was that age I'm pretty sure I gave out cards I got for free and probably had no idea what they saidLOL! Well, this girl lived at home and I figured she probably just took a bunch from the family stack. But I thought she should have realized not everyone she was giving one to shared her beliefs....or maybe she did. :shuffle:

my little pony
05-11-2010, 07:24 PM
But was it food from a Chinese restaurant? If it was a Thai or Japanese restaurant, and everyone called it Chinese food (a la the old 60s notion that anything or anyone Asian is Chinese), I might see her point. But how do you distinguish Chinese food from Thai or Japanese (very different) if you don't call it Chinese. I wonder how she refers to Mexican or Indian food?



No, it was a Chinese restaurant. The poor guy who did the ordering was about the quietest person I ever met. Asking the girl next to him if she wanted Chinese food once a week was probably the only time he spoke out loud. She complained constantly. Part of her job was to translate either Mandarin or Cantonese, I can't remember which. She also said that this objectified her and she didnt want to do it. But it was her only job function. When she refused to translate, she had no job duties left.

Bev Johnston
05-11-2010, 07:25 PM
Yet the men in the place are still allowed to talk about oogling women and the like.

Not saying that she would, but tell her to be careful if she's thinking of using this as a defence.

Case in point, a few years ago, my boss, another co-worker, and I were talking about the show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". I don't remember anything offensive that was said - just discussion of the show - but someone who was out to get my boss made a complaint against her for offensive language. She was "counseled", and during the meeting with HR, said that she thought it was really the pot calling the kettle black, considering that this guy discussed all of his sexual exploits in detail and didn't seem to care who overheard or was offended. Well, long story short, she got written up for not reporting him, which meant no merit increases or promotions until the undetermined warning period was over. He got off scot free.

danceronice
05-11-2010, 08:16 PM
people in my office had to go to sensitivity training for saying that they were getting Chinese food, they were advised to say "food of Asian origin" in the future

This is why I wonder if the word "lesbian" was offensive, or if the person who reported her thought SHE was being insensitive.

"Food of Asian origin"? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. What if it WAS Chinese? How about Chinese-American? If they ordered sushi could they call it Japanese? What if it was Japanese sushi made at a Chinese restaurant owned by Koreans?

IceAlisa
05-11-2010, 08:20 PM
No, it was a Chinese restaurant. The poor guy who did the ordering was about the quietest person I ever met. Asking the girl next to him if she wanted Chinese food once a week was probably the only time he spoke out loud. She complained constantly. Part of her job was to translate either Mandarin or Cantonese, I can't remember which. She also said that this objectified her and she didnt want to do it. But it was her only job function. When she refused to translate, she had no job duties left.

Damn, I missed a chance to feel objectified when I translated medical literature from Russian to English and back.

Flatfoote
05-11-2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks for all the great input. Keep it coming! I should see her this weekend, and I will direct her to this thread.

silverstars
05-11-2010, 10:03 PM
I don't know how far your sister would want to take this, but Colorado does have LGBT employment discrimination laws that ban employers from discriminating against employees because of sexual orientation or gender identity (they actually have unusually strict laws--most states either don't have them at all or just have them for state employment). I think that certain LGBT groups have also started using Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (equal protection under the law regardless of race, gender, etc.) in order to combat discrimination in the workplace.

Again, this might be farther than she wants to take things at the moment, but she's definitely protected under the law--especially if her workplace allows men to talk about women, but then had her written up for mentioning that she's a lesbian (that's something that could turn her case into one of obvious discrimination, since they're enforcing something on one group, but not another). If things get worse, she can always looking into the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and see if they can do anything for her.

Karina1974
05-12-2010, 01:52 AM
Not saying that she would, but tell her to be careful if she's thinking of using this as a defence.

Case in point, a few years ago, my boss, another co-worker, and I were talking about the show "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy". I don't remember anything offensive that was said - just discussion of the show - but someone who was out to get my boss made a complaint against her for offensive language. She was "counseled", and during the meeting with HR, said that she thought it was really the pot calling the kettle black, considering that this guy discussed all of his sexual exploits in detail and didn't seem to care who overheard or was offended. Well, long story short, she got written up for not reporting him, which meant no merit increases or promotions until the undetermined warning period was over. He got off scot free.

Damn, I'm glad bullshit like this doesn't go on where I work. But then again, at 35 I'm the 2nd youngest in an office filled with 40+ and 50+ year-old people (aka -- people who actually have "been around" and have a respectable amount of life experience). We're in that office to sell steel. Period. Not to push our own personal agendas in everyone's face.

genegri
05-12-2010, 02:18 AM
I am sorry your sister has to deal with this kind of BS.

CantALoop
05-12-2010, 04:01 AM
What if an employee was a minority and said as a joke, "If you get lost, just ask people where the [ethnicity] person lives, I'm the only one in town!" It'd be just plain strange if someone of another background got offended just because that person is different.

As for the Chinese food one, talk about making something out of nothing. :rolleyes: However, if it was a Margaret Cho "Asian chicken salad" sort of situation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnnvRjwSCPo), then she might have something. :P

Louis
05-12-2010, 04:17 AM
people in my office had to go to sensitivity training for saying that they were getting Chinese food, they were advised to say "food of Asian origin" in the future

Now I KNOW we work for the same company. I have heard this story through independent sources and always thought it was folklore. I guess not!

:wall:

This is sadly not the most ridiculous HR "diversity" issue I've come across.