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jlai
11-09-2010, 04:51 PM
I guess Czisny is competing at MW then? great!

I'm probably in the minority about this, but I'd like to see more top names at at least 1 regional or sectional. First of all, they draw crowds to the sub-national competitions so more people may go see them. Second, it raises the level of competition. For development of USfs program I think skaters should have more chances to compete against the top names to get an idea where they are at before they reach nationals--beyond the local feedback from local competitions (where scoring may be generous). I'd hate to see the trend where the top senior names don't ever make it to regional/sectional any more but they're always the top national skaters, and the ones who work their way through sub-national competitions are those who always place low at the national game. (It will be the skating equivalent of "tracking") :P

I also suspect many skaters do enjoy competing, even if competing against the best--you know the thrills of victory or agonies of defeat thing. If skaters just want to make it to sectionals or nationals many of them could have switched clubs to make it happen. But we still have a crowd of talents competing out of the same regions year after year (e.g MW jr ladies), so I suspect competing against the best is also a goal in itself.

JMHO.

Polymer Bob
11-09-2010, 05:03 PM
But if a skater has a bye, but still skates at Regionals/Sectionals anyway, that should not bump another skater out of Nationals.

chipso1
11-09-2010, 05:20 PM
But if a skater has a bye, but still skates at Regionals/Sectionals anyway, that should not bump another skater out of Nationals.

Alissa does not have a bye, though. She was not top 5 at Nationals last year, and her GP events don't conflict with Mids. Thus, she needs to place top 4 this week to advance to Nationals (which she should easily do).

Sylvia
11-09-2010, 09:31 PM
To recap, the 14 Senior ladies with byes to 2011 Nationals are: Flatt, Nagasu, Wagner, Cohen (IF she competes), Gao, Dobbs, Gilles, C. Zhang, Gong, Musademba, Zawadzki, Siraj, Baga, F. Zhang. I expect the total number in Greensboro to be 25 as long as there are no withdrawals.

Debbie S
11-09-2010, 09:37 PM
I expect the total number in Greensboro to be 25 as long as there are no withdrawals.Which means 5 warm-up groups. :yikes: Oh well, at least the schedule is a bit more spread out this year, so no Thursday marathon. Saturday, OTOH.....:eek:

Sylvia
11-09-2010, 09:41 PM
Which means 5 warm-up groups.
I think the "TV rule" requires there to be 6 singles skaters in the final warm-up group, so it would still be 5 groups but divided into 4-5-5-5-6.

AliasJohnDoe
11-09-2010, 10:13 PM
I find it strange that Czisny and Lam, the only 2 American ladies so far to win "gold medals" during the GP's and JGP's, are the ones who need to qualify for Nationals.

mgobluegirl
11-09-2010, 10:40 PM
Which means 5 warm-up groups. :yikes: Oh well, at least the schedule is a bit more spread out this year, so no Thursday marathon. Saturday, OTOH.....:eek:

At least it won't be like the US Collegiate championships this year :lol:

pinky166
11-09-2010, 11:16 PM
I find it strange that Czisny and Lam, the only 2 American ladies so far to win "gold medals" during the GP's and JGP's, are the ones who need to qualify for Nationals.

It's just because of the way their international assignments fall.

Jenna
11-10-2010, 03:08 AM
I find it strange that Czisny and Lam, the only 2 American ladies so far to win "gold medals" during the GP's and JGP's, are the ones who need to qualify for Nationals.

Now that you mention it, this is kind of a :rolleyes: situation.

Jenna
11-10-2010, 03:10 AM
Which means 5 warm-up groups. :yikes: Oh well, at least the schedule is a bit more spread out this year, so no Thursday marathon. Saturday, OTOH.....:eek:

There's bound to be at least one withdrawl....there always is. I think we will probably end up with 4 warm-ups! ;)

oleada
11-10-2010, 07:26 PM
I wasn't sure where to post this, but I just came across Kiri Baga's debut of "La Strada" (her senior FS version) from the MN State Championships in August.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQabP3-TL7A

Keep in mind that at that time, she had only been back on the ice for about 5 weeks after suffering a stress fracture all summer. I think she exudes more emotion and facial expressions in that performance than she did at the JGP Japan, though.

ETA: That user also has Kate Charbonneau's (winning) senior FS from State in August. :)

Thanks for the links. Yes, she definitely seems more expressive than in the JGP. Still not a fan of the program, though - hers last year were much more interesting.

As for Charbonneau, it seems like the entire program is setting up for the jumps (that she can't rotate or land).

Atena
11-10-2010, 09:03 PM
I really hope Alissa stay focused this season. Her debut at Skate Canada was realy good and I really like her programs, particularly her LP.

chipso1
11-15-2010, 03:18 AM
Updated List -- Through Skate America
Just for fun! :)

Top scoring U.S. Senior Ladies

1. Alissa CZISNY (172.37) Skate Canada
2. Christina GAO (167.14) JGP Austria
3. Rachael FLATT (162.86) Skate America
4. Yasmin SIRAJ (161.75) JGP Sheffield
5. Vanessa LAM (156.41) JGP Ostrava
6. Agnes ZAWADZKI (154.35) Skate Canada

7. Mirai NAGASU (146.23) Cup of China
8. Ashley WAGNER (143.73) NHK Trophy
9. Kiri BAGA (138.70) JGP Japan
10. Kristiene GONG (134.32) JGP Sheffield
11. Caroline ZHANG (133.86) NHK Trophy
12. Melissa BULANHAGUI (133.72) Nebelhorn Trophy

13. Amanda DOBBS (132.45) Cup of China
14. Alexe GILLES (125.64) Skate Canada
15. Karen ZHOU (123.63) Coupe de Nice DNQ to Nationals
16. Felicia ZHANG (123.16) JGP Dresden
17. Samantha CESARIO (122.39) JGP Romania
18. Kristine MUSADEMBA (119.45) Cup of China


Flatt improves upon her NHK Trophy score and moves up one spot to 3rd.

CoR: Zawadzki, Wagner
TEB: Czisny, Nagasu

Grand Prix points thus far: Flatt (26), Czisny (15), Nagasu (9), Wagner (7), Zawadzki (5), Dobbs (5), C. Zhang (4), Musademba (3).

Edited to show that while Karen Zhou did not qualify for Nationals, she still has a fairly decent international score this season.

Sylvia
11-15-2010, 02:08 PM
15. Karen ZHOU (123.63) Coupe de Nice
Unfortunately, Karen Zhou placed 7th at Pacific Coast Sectionals this past weekend and did not qualify for Nationals. :(

The 12 Senior Ladies that qualified for 2011 Nationals through Sectionals are:
Alissa Czisny 56.98 (SP, 1st) 104.47 (FS, 1st) 161.45 M1
Vanessa Lam 53.64 (1) 94.83 (1) 148.47 P1
Samantha Cesario 52.13 (1) 92.21 (1) 144.34 E1
Melissa Bulanhagui 44.36 (4) 83.59 (2) 127.95 E2
Kelsey Traunero 46.91 (3) 78.99 (3) 125.90 E3
Joelle Forte 48.28 (2) 77.21 (4) 125.49 E4
Morgan Bell 44.94 (2) 80.24 (2) 125.18 M2
Danielle Kahle 43.31 (2) 76.69 (3) 120.00 P2
Keli Zhou 39.16 (5) 79.66 (2) 118.82 P3
Katy Jo West 38.70 (5) 77.47 (4) 116.17 M3
Ellie Kawamura 39.96 (3) 75.99 (4) 115.95 P4
Tatyana Khazova 41.74 (3) 73.12 (7) 114.86 M4

First-timers to Nationals (debuting as Seniors): Kelsey Traunero, Morgan Bell and Katy Jo West.
Previously qualified for Nationals in Junior but first time in Senior: Vanessa Lam and Keli Zhou.