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cem
10-31-2010, 08:49 PM
I know! The judges must have been confused and thought she was Canadian! :lol:

Kidding!

She hits great positions on her spins and is a beautiful, very skilled skater. Her nerves and jump technique have held her back.

Crossing fingers that Yuka can continue to work well with her.

I think Alissa was overscored based on the marks handed out at NHK Trophy.

smarts1
10-31-2010, 08:56 PM
While I think her PCS were a little too high, the program was great on her and it was the most exquisite we've probably seen from her.

chipso1
10-31-2010, 10:59 PM
I think Alissa was overscored based on the marks handed out at NHK Trophy.

Really? Alissa hit 5 triples and a nice 2A. At NHK, Kostner had many messy landings on 3T's and 3S's, and Flatt had her second 3Lz and 3F receive the "<" downgrade (and rightfully so, IMO, as they did look a bit short). I think when comparing Alissa and Rachael -- the two highest scoring GP U.S. ladies thus far -- the marks for both are quite fair.

On the jumps, I would maybe give Flatt a slight edge, but then Czisny's were done with so much more quality so they even out in the end. Czisny really pulled away from Flatt with her spins and ChSp sequence, racking up huge points, as well as the PCS which she wins quite handily.

Flatt @ NHK vs. Czisny @ SC -- Scoring breakdown:

Short Program
Flatt
Jump total: 15.84
Spin total: 8.72
Footwork: 3.73

Total TES: 28.29
Total PCS: 25.40 (range: 6.07-6.50)

Czisny
Jump total: 14.10
Spin total: 11.47
Footwork: 2.80

Total TES: 28.37
Total PCS: 27.58 (range: 6.54-7.11)

Free Skate
Flatt
Jump total: 40.34
Spin total: 8.37
Spirals/FW: 6.16

Total TES: 54.87
Total PCS: 52.48 (range: 6.29-6.68)

Czisny
Jump total: 36.03
Spin total: 12.69
Spirals/ FW: 7.23

Total TES: 55.95
Total PCS: 61.47 (range: 7.32-7.82)

Based on that scoring breakdown, you can see that Flatt at NHK Trophy got higher marks for her jumps than Czisny did at Skate Canada, but Alissa trounced Rachael in spins, footwork, and the ChSp sequence (Czisny got a whopping +2.29 GOE for her spiral sequence! :eek:)

Overall, I think the judging at the SC ladies event was fair and quite in line with the scores we saw at NHK. ;)

newbatgirl
10-31-2010, 11:44 PM
Based on that scoring breakdown, you can see that Flatt at NHK Trophy got higher marks for her jumps than Czisny did at Skate Canada, but Alissa trounced Rachael in spins, footwork, and the ChSp sequence (Czisny got a whopping +2.29 GOE for her spiral sequence! :eek:)


Thanks for the breakdown. I think the scoring makes sense if you watch the programs. Alissa has exquisite spins stemming from her overall better posture on the ice. Rachael is a better jumper and obviously has better nerves but her spin positions could be better.

I like both ladies and I hope they can both work on their weaknesses throughout this season.

Sylvia
10-31-2010, 11:56 PM
From Phil Hersh's 10/28 Globetrotting blog entry:

*Also much anticipated: Mirai Nagasu's season debut at next week's Cup of China. Nagasu, the leading U.S. finisher at the 2010 Olympics (4th) and worlds (7th), missed a month of training in late summer because of a stress fracture in her right foot, which she uses for takeoffs on her lutz and flip jumps.

Her coach, Frank Carroll, told me Thursday by telephone that the injury has healed to the point where her lutz and flip are fine. Carroll said the U.S. Figure Skating international committee gave Nagasu the go-ahead for China after monitoring her last week.

A couple weeks earlier, Carroll had what he called a ``knockdown, drag-out'' with the skater because he didn't think she was working hard enough. ``It's never easy with Mirai,'' he said.

The irrepressible Nagasu would agree -- and did, more or less, in a tweet last week: ``I told my mom my legs are worth gold. . .she told me that it's unfortunate my brain doesn't have the same value.''

Marlowe
11-01-2010, 05:27 AM
While I think her PCS were a little too high, the program was great on her and it was the most exquisite we've probably seen from her.

Yes, I have to agree. I am gaga over her after watching her long and short at Skate Canada on icenet. Exquisite is the perfect word to describe her.

Marco
11-01-2010, 07:16 AM
Overall, I think the judging at the SC ladies event was fair and quite in line with the scores we saw at NHK. ;)

The PCS scoring maybe, but the calling at NHK was definitely much stricter.

Marco
11-01-2010, 07:18 AM
Yes, I have to agree. I am gaga over her after watching her long and short at Skate Canada on icenet. Exquisite is the perfect word to describe her.

YES. Beautiful arms, graceful movements and commanding presence. She seems to exude a certain level of ease, confidence and attack not seen from her before.

(and while I generally don't care about dresses, that sky / cloud dress of hers made me smile. didn't hurt that she looked so classically beautiful)

Polymer Bob
11-01-2010, 01:06 PM
Alissa was great! She is going to kick SO much butt at Sectionals. :biggrinbo

Coco
11-01-2010, 01:39 PM
The PCS scoring maybe, but the calling at NHK was definitely much stricter.

word. seriously.

And I hate that there's significant variance on this issue.

chipso1
11-01-2010, 07:20 PM
The PCS scoring maybe, but the calling at NHK was definitely much stricter.

I don't know about that. Wasn't Lisa Ervin the TS at Skate Canada? I thought she was known to be a stickler for URs.

Triple Butz
11-01-2010, 11:24 PM
I don't know about that. Wasn't Lisa Ervin the TS at Skate Canada? I thought she was known to be a stickler for URs.

No, she's known for being a total imbecile, making ridiculous calls at US Nationals, like suggesting that Caroline Zhang lips, and Ashley Wagner has a true lutz...

It's bad enough that we sent her to 93 Worlds. Can't we be done with her already?

:soapbox:

judgejudy27
11-01-2010, 11:46 PM
Bobek and Harding should have gone to the 93 Worlds instead of Ervin and Kwiatkowski.

Marco
11-02-2010, 02:22 AM
I don't know about that. Wasn't Lisa Ervin the TS at Skate Canada? I thought she was known to be a stickler for URs.

Just watch Czisny's jumps at Skate Canada and then Wagner's jumps at NHK and then compare the protocols.

chipso1
11-02-2010, 02:34 AM
Just watch Czisny's jumps at Skate Canada and then Wagner's jumps at NHK and then compare the protocols.

The only jump of Czisny's that I thought looked close to "<" was her second 3F (and obviously her second 3T which was marked as "<"). Wagner double-footed nearly every single triple in her NHK free skate, and that's a sign that she wasn't getting all the way around, so obviously the judges are going to look at her jumps closer.

It could also be a case of the camera angles at each event. People sometimes forget that the technical panel only see the elements from one camera angle, and that can sometimes affect their calls.

Anyway, I don't think the scores/calling at SC were that out of line.