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Jenna
09-07-2010, 04:13 AM
Well, the addition of the choreography spirals would makes this season's scores about 2 points lower, since most skaters were able to earn around 4 points for the spiral sequence if they received a level four. I think the technical scores are pretty cut and dry from one event to the next, but you never know. PCS is subjective, so that could easily change from event to event.

gracieboo
09-07-2010, 06:46 AM
Perhaps someone saw the -2 deduction and assumed they were falls.

I was there ... she fell twice in the long (triple toe and her triple flip, I believe). Her spins are fabulous and the attention to detail in her choreography has been improved immensely.

Polymer Bob
09-07-2010, 02:21 PM
I must admit I am not totally fluent in the new rules.
Are spins and spirals less valuable than they were, or is it just harder to achieve level 4?

Sylvia
09-07-2010, 02:22 PM
I must admit I am not totally fluent in the new rules.
Are spins and spirals less valuable than they were, or is it just harder to achieve level 4?
See the "Spiral Sequences" thread in GSD for more info on the new rules: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74507

Thanks for your info on Vanessa Lam at Golden West, gracieboo! Did you recognize her music? (short and/or long)

kwanfan1818
09-07-2010, 03:29 PM
Kimmie's big issue in recent years has been URs. She did so well before the judges got so strict about URs, and so she got credit for her 3-3s then even though today they would never be ratified. That's why I sort of doubt any Kimmie comeback would be convincing, just because things have changed so much since she left.
This year's rule change to give 70% of the score to minor UR's would have been in her favor, then.

I'm sad she isn't coming back, but I hope she has a great year at school.

Polymer Bob
09-09-2010, 01:07 AM
It seems that in her last few competitive events, Kimmie's main problem was just staying on her feet. We kept hearing these reports of how well her practices were going, then at the actual event...........

chipso1
09-09-2010, 01:09 AM
It seems that in her last few competitive events, Kimmie's main problem was just staying on her feet. We kept hearing these reports of how well her practices were going, then at the actual event...........

Kimmie got hit with some, IMO, harsh downgrades at her last event (2008 Cup of Russia). She actually skated quite well in both programs, but downgrades were her undoing.

RD
09-09-2010, 02:12 AM
^ That.

Come to think of it, she also would have benefited from the "70% rule", but she's had an amazing if short-lived skating career. World and national champ. Olympian. None of our current girls can say that (yet). She can retire right now and be proud.

stjeaskategym
09-09-2010, 02:41 AM
Kimmie got hit with some, IMO, harsh downgrades at her last event (2008 Cup of Russia). She actually skated quite well in both programs, but downgrades were her undoing.

Yes, I think the "70% rule" would have really helped the scoring of her clean SP. It was a well done program, but received such a low score, you would have thought she had fallen all over the place, or at least had some visible jumping mistakes.

UGG
09-09-2010, 04:34 PM
Yes I remember watching some of her programs in fall 2007 and being SHOCKED at her scores and how low they were. Some of them really seemed harsh.

Coco
09-09-2010, 07:02 PM
Those marks were just...wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dkrkGQ7hk

Sylvia
09-09-2010, 07:07 PM
Rachael Flatt's next scheduled competition (as mentioned in her recent local article thread (http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74947)) is the Colorado Springs Invitational (Sept. 17-18) in Colorado Springs, CO. Agnes Zawadzki, Marissa Secundy (her delayed season and Sr. debut, I believe), Tatyana Khazova, and Katy Jo West are some of the other notable Senior ladies registered to compete.

LilJen
09-09-2010, 07:10 PM
Those marks were just...wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dkrkGQ7hk
No kidding. That was some very major :wuzrobbed: there.

gkelly
09-09-2010, 07:28 PM
Those marks were just...wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dkrkGQ7hk

Which ones do you take issue with?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus08/gprus08_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

In that video the lutz looked more cheated to me than the loop, but maybe it looked different from the tech panel's perspective.

chipso1
09-09-2010, 07:44 PM
Which ones do you take issue with?
http://www.isuresults.com/results/gprus08/gprus08_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf

In that video the lutz looked more cheated to me than the loop, but maybe it looked different from the tech panel's perspective.

The loop was fine, IMO. I'm surprised her combo spin and spiral sequence were both called level 1, too. In rewatching that video, I timed her positions at 3 seconds, 5 seconds and 4 seconds. Under the 08-09 rules, with those times and the difficult variations she did, wouldn't that be a level 3? I can't remember if the SpSq rules changed between the 08-09 season and the 09-10 season...