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gkelly
05-10-2010, 09:14 PM
But I could swear her 3/3s were downgraded even under 6.0 at one point or another;

How could you tell?

Required elements score lower than presentation score in a short program, suggestive of a mandatory deductions? But how would you even know what the deduction was for?

Or maybe the judges just thought the technique had some other weaknesses on the jump combination or elsewhere, but the presentation was better than the technique.

briancoogaert
05-10-2010, 09:17 PM
But the standards were the same back then? :confused:
Her 3/3 was not really underrotated, but it was badly prerotated.
I don't know if prerotation are as bad as underrotation under the new CoP.

IceJunkie
05-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Kimmie's 3 toe axel got ratified under CoP, but that was in the early days of inception.

carriecmu0503
05-10-2010, 10:42 PM
Kimmie's 3 toe axel got ratified under CoP, but that was in the early days of inception.

As far as I know, Kimmie only landed the 3 Axle once, at 2005 Nationals. That was the last nationals that was judged under 6.0.

skatingfan5
05-10-2010, 10:50 PM
As far as I know, Kimmie only landed the 3 Axle once, at 2005 Nationals. That was the last nationals that was judged under 6.0.IceJunkie was referring to Kimmie's triple-toeloop (the so-called "toe axel").

blue_idealist
05-11-2010, 03:04 AM
I wouldn't call it Amber bashing. Heck, she did more with her modicum of talent than anyone would have thought. The problem was that there was just nothing RIGHT about her skating. Her inherent movement and carriage was all wrong, reminiscent of Sarah Hughes. She really didn't have any reliable "triple". Her sal and toe were basically 2axels. Plus she fell all the time or severely underrotated on the higher triples. Her Audrey Hepburn routine with the same plastic tiara my sister had growing up was either gay icon status worthy or just flat out WRONG, hard to even figure that one out it was so WTF.
Also, at 27 years of age with a fashion degree, one would have expected her presentation via costuming and makeup to have been considerably better. What junior college did she get that degree from? They should rescind it.

How were her sal and toe double axels? That doesn't make any sense to me.

shady82
05-11-2010, 04:33 AM
I guess maybe because they were so prerotated, it was basically 2.5 rotations, I'm not sure though..

Anyhow, it was clear the judges dinged Amber for her jump technicque, I remember her technical scores were always low even when she skated cleanly (as low as 4.3 in the 2002 NHK Trophy and 5.2-5.7 for 7 triples at the 2001 US Nationals). :yikes: And because of CoP's absurd underrotation rules, should would be screwed now..

And you guys should check this site out (takes awhile to scroll down though): http://www.craigheath.com/craigarticles.htm

Amber's Ideal Day:
"my perfect day would be to wake up at my beach house, walking to Pilates class while drinking a double tall, nonfat, extra hot latte with two raw sugars from Starbucks, listening to Sting, followed by a game of beach volleyball, lunch at an outside cafe with friends, a sushi dinner, going to a Madonna concert in the evening and finally sitting in a nice, quaint martini lounge with Diana Krall playing in the background."

:lol:

essence_of_soy
05-11-2010, 05:20 AM
And you guys should check this site out (takes awhile to scroll down though): http://www.craigheath.com/craigarticles.htm

Amber's Ideal Day:
"my perfect day would be to wake up at my beach house, walking to Pilates class while drinking a double tall, nonfat, extra hot latte with two raw sugars from Starbucks, listening to Sting, followed by a game of beach volleyball, lunch at an outside cafe with friends, a sushi dinner, going to a Madonna concert in the evening and finally sitting in a nice, quaint martini lounge with Diana Krall playing in the background."

:lol:

There you have it. Carrie Bradshaw can really skate!

Quintuple
05-11-2010, 07:56 AM
a.) When I was looking up what I'm about to say, I found this oddity: Corwin: The Chronicles of Amber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwin_%28The_Chronicles_of_Amber%29)

b.) I think this is pretty legendary: http://www.isuresults.com/results/gpchn05/SEG003.HTM

I remember that date (Where were you when man landed on the moon?) - I had just joined FSU, and one of the first PBP threads I ever read contained a ton of, "WTF did Amber Corwin do to score 11 points TES in the SP?" It wasn't an incomplete program, no freak malfunction, and she wasn't an OES/OOS/OAS/ONAS. Daaayum. I think that's your #8.

c.) There's something I've been wanting to say for years that I've only ever thought to myself, but it's so incredibly rude I can't say it here. But it would totally be reason #9.

DBZ
05-11-2010, 11:33 AM
How were her sal and toe double axels? That doesn't make any sense to me.

She often prerotated those jumps, meaning by the time she launched herself into the air, her body was pretty much already facing forward like it would be with an axel jump--essentially making the jump easier to complete since, technically, only 2.5 revolutions were actually done in the air.

It was a common tactic Amber used to disguise her jumping weaknesses.

Polymer Bob
05-11-2010, 12:30 PM
She often prerotated those jumps, meaning by the time she launched herself into the air, her body was pretty much already facing forward like it would be with an axel jump--essentially making the jump easier to complete since, technically, only 2.5 revolutions were actually done in the air.

A journey well begun is half finished. :slinkaway

Rex
05-11-2010, 12:33 PM
c.) There's something I've been wanting to say for years that I've only ever thought to myself, but it's so incredibly rude I can't say it here. But it would totally be reason #9. You can tell us :sekret:.

MOIJTO
05-11-2010, 03:30 PM
:lol: never-failing in its underrotation.

Wasn't it more pre-rotation?

viennese
05-11-2010, 05:04 PM
She did have a remarkably long and fairly consistent career, during an era of baby ballerinas and jumping bean flameouts. so good for her to have showed up at US nationals well trained. She did seem to be the consummate student/athlete, determined to get her degree.

I admit I did crack up at the tiara and headband diva outfits.

For that alone, she earned icon status. Every year at nationals, the question would be: WTF is Amber wearing?

Rex
05-11-2010, 05:22 PM
I preferred that tiara to the headbands. Those things make her look like she had a rash on her forehead.