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Firefly123
05-08-2010, 02:10 PM
Yes, that is one of the major differences between ice and roller. The floor (wood and/or concerete) creates so much friction that the skater looses his/her speed very quickly. Add to this the fact that most roller skaters nowdays just don't pay attention to skating fast (they have gotten used to long set ups and jumping almost from a stand still. It is a bad trend that has, unfortunately, taken over since the 1990s). :(

Back to the wrap....

I was still wondering if the wrap technique (rotating the jump from top to bottom rather than "snappng" with the hips and rotating from bottom to top has anything to do with a gender difference. Wider hips maybe?) Of course there are exceptions, (I just linked to videos of 2 male roller champions that wrapped), but it seems that wrap is far more common among females. All of the ice skaters that have been mentioned in this thread so far have been women. Now, it's true that there is a greater number of girls skating in the first place, but even taking that into account, it seems that wrap is much more prevalent among girls/women, (especially if left up to their own preference like on roller). Interesting.....

arakwafan2006
05-12-2010, 05:44 AM
Yup... Midori Ito for me

wonderlen
05-12-2010, 04:35 PM
OK. This World Class Roller Champion is the King of all Wrappers.
http://<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZuDEqtT56I&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZuDEqtT56I&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> (http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZuDEqtT56I&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/8ZuDEqtT56I&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>)

....But he is awesome!!! :swoon: 3flip-loop-loop-3loop. Nice!!! :D And just look at those heel camels. Wow!! He has a Sasha spiral too (I'm talking full split.) Ouch!!! :eek:

Strange. In his long combo (2axel-loop-3toe-loop-half loop-3sal) he doesn't wrap at all??? But he wraps the other jumps. Weird. :confused:

Wow I never seem a roller championship. Are they still have competition like that these days? How come we never seen it on t.v or news?

Firefly123
05-13-2010, 05:44 AM
Yes, artistic roller (which is what they call figure skating on roller) has a US Nationals and Worlds (but it's not in the Olympics). :( It used to be a lot bigger in the US during the late 70s and early 80s (there was even talk of getting us into the Summer Olympics.) But since then the roller craze has died down and many of the rinks have closed. The artistic clubs have all but disappeared. :( The Italians pretty much rule this sport. (One of their men, Luca, was the first to land the 3axel on roller. I have heard some of their men are working on quads.) The far East is beginning to show some interest (China and Tawain), also Australlia is pretty big thanks to the efforts of Jayson Suttcliffe (World Champion) there......But here in the US it is almost gone now. :( If anyone has tallent they go to ice (Tara Lipinski, Caydee Dayney etc.) There are pleanty of vids up on youtube if you are interested.

Just search: artistic, roller, world class

I guess the reason why it isn't on TV is that there is no audience ($) in it. Basically, I'd compare it to soccer. Americans like American football not soccer, and they like their figure skating on ice because.....well, that's the way it is supposed to be.... Roller skating is for disco and derby not figure skating. That is ice skating. :rolleyes:

Ozzisk8tr
05-13-2010, 05:58 AM
Yay roller! I have coached it for 20 years plus up to world level. There is a youtube vid of Pierluca Tocca doing a quad toe, first we've seen with correct technique. Back to wraps, check out this vid from 1985 US Nationals Snr Ladies event.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA4eBY77hK8
Janna Jenson was called "the combination kid". Her first 9 jump combo :eek: contains numerous leg wraps up around her neck. I could do double toe with or without a leg wrap, with made it so hard to control, and it was so hard to get any more rotation in that position.

Firefly123
05-13-2010, 01:59 PM
I love Janna!! :D And that quad is amazing. :eek:

I don't know why ice is so down on wrap. As you know, at least back in the 80s, roller didn't consider it "bad" technique. Why do you think ice is so particular about this point????!!! I know it is less aerodynamic....But then, I would think that since it's harder to rotate the jumps, then those that do should get even more points. :eek: Makes sense to me.....

And don't get me started on their testing structure. :duh:

Check out Rolaboi's circus act video in this "trash can" section under Very Cool Circus Act. It's awesome!

Yay roller! I have coached it for 20 years plus up to world level

Do you still skate or coach on ice or roller? Or are you retired?

kayskate
05-13-2010, 02:34 PM
I've been looking for an excuse to post this vid.
Quad roller champ, Roberto Riva, demos incredible jumping technique and posture in single jumps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIEsxFBiDW8&feature=PlayList&p=14D45DF99067B1E2&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=3

here is the version w doubles and triples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpzZqaBJfiQ&feature=related

This one shows jumps and spins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKO9WgqdCE&feature=related

3axels on rollers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKO9WgqdCE&feature=related

I can't find the vid of a quad jump (toe loop?) on roller skates. Will post if I find it.

Enjoy!

Kay
www.skatejournal.com

Firefly123
05-13-2010, 03:30 PM
Kay,
It's 1/2 rotation short and he steps out of it at the end....But the speed of rotation is incredible!! (And, as you know, it is harder to land on roller). :eek: No wrap here, that's for sure. :lol:

Quad Toe (ok. Triple and 1/2 toe), ;) on roller: http://<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/blPrpSHsDPs&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/blPrpSHsDPs&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> (http://www.youtube.com/v/blPrpSHsDPs&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/blPrpSHsDPs&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>)

Ozzisk8tr
05-13-2010, 11:37 PM
Do you still skate or coach on ice or roller? Or are you retired?

Still coach on roller 6 days a week, haven't coached on ice for a couple of years. Roller Worlds are in Portugal this year which I've never been to. Whoo hoo!

MikiAndoFan#1
05-13-2010, 11:42 PM
Roller Worlds are in Portugal this year which I've never been to. Whoo hoo!

You'll love it here!

:cheer:

Where can I find information about these championships?