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ilovepaydays
05-04-2010, 04:48 PM
New York Times - A Moment Kent State Won’t Forget (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/04/us/04kent.html)
USA Today - 1970 Kent State shootings are an enduring history lesson (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-05-03-kent-state_N.htm)

Thoughts? This was 10 years before I was born but I get :( when I read or watch a news show about it.

skatingfan5
05-04-2010, 05:43 PM
I'm old enough to remember it. I still don't understand why those guardsmen turned in unison and fired randomly into a crowd of unarmed students. :(

Squibble
05-04-2010, 05:51 PM
The photograph (http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0005/filo.htm) :(

I still can't believe that the Guardsmen who did these unprovoked shootings and fabricated their explanation for why they did it got away unpunished. :mad:

skatingfan5
05-04-2010, 05:56 PM
The photograph (http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0005/filo.htm) :( That image is burned indelibly into my brain. IIRC, Mary Vecchio was only 14 or 15 that day (I can't remember for sure, but I think she was a runaway).

Civic
05-04-2010, 06:47 PM
:( That image is burned indelibly into my brain. IIRC, Mary Vecchio was only 14 or 15 that day (I can't remember for sure, but I think she was a runaway).

She was according to Wikipedia. A few years after the Kent State massacre, I read in the newspaper that she had been arrested for prostitution. Does anyone else remember this?

About the massacre itself, I remember hearing my parents talk about it. I had a hard time wrapping my then 10 year old brain around it: the National Guard could shoot people even if they weren't doing anything wrong.

Susan1
05-05-2010, 12:26 AM
I was in grade school, so mostly everything I associate it with is from t.v., but I do remember my friend and neighbor's dad did go up and get her oldest sister from school. It seems to me like she didn't go back for the rest of the year? She went back the next year and graduated from there a couple years later.

I just happened to hear "Ohio" by CSN&Y on a "we play everything" radio station this afternoon at work. I got chills.

Susan1
05-05-2010, 12:30 AM
She was according to Wikipedia. A few years after the Kent State massacre, I read in the newspaper that she had been arrested for prostitution. Does anyone else remember this?

About the massacre itself, I remember hearing my parents talk about it. I had a hard time wrapping my then 10 year old brain around it: the National Guard could shoot people even if they weren't doing anything wrong.

I should have replied to this post (I was your same age) instead. Today at work, after I heard "Ohio" and I mentioned what day this was to a lady I work with who is 35 and has only lived in Ohio for 3 years. She lived in Virginia during the sniper shootings. I explained to her that this was the National Guard who shot students during what was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration against the Viet Nam War, and she was horrified!

manleywoman
05-05-2010, 03:21 AM
What I've never understood about that photo is how casual everyone else looks walking by.

numbers123
05-05-2010, 04:12 AM
I definitely remember it. I was a junior in high school. I couldn't believe that the killings happened and on a college campus.

Prancer
05-05-2010, 04:38 AM
She was according to Wikipedia. A few years after the Kent State massacre, I read in the newspaper that she had been arrested for prostitution. Does anyone else remember this?

I don't remember it, but apparently it's true.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20067741,00.html

She's a respiratory therapist now, I believe.

vesperholly
05-05-2010, 10:25 PM
I should have replied to this post (I was your same age) instead. Today at work, after I heard "Ohio" and I mentioned what day this was to a lady I work with who is 35 and has only lived in Ohio for 3 years. She lived in Virginia during the sniper shootings. I explained to her that this was the National Guard who shot students during what was supposed to be a peaceful demonstration against the Viet Nam War, and she was horrified!

Er, she lived in Ohio for 3 years and never knew about the Kent State shootings?! :duh:

I went to Kent State from 98-02 and the 30th anniversary occurred when I was there. I was in the journalism program, which at the time was in Taylor Hall, the building that it all happened around. Every day I walked to class past a metal sculpture with a bullet hole in it. There are quite a few memorials on campus, including lighted ones in the parking lot highlighting the spot where each of the four died. :yikes:

skatingfan5
05-05-2010, 11:39 PM
What I've never understood about that photo is how casual everyone else looks walking by.I think that many of them likely were unaware of the enormity of what had just happened -- the students had dispersed a bit just before the guardsmen started firing and this photo was taken just seconds later. Two of the students who were killed hadn't even taken part in the demonstration -- they were just walking to class. There are other photos of the events (http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0005/hr01.htm) at Kent State in May 1970.

Here's what John Filo, the photographer of the Kent State photo, had to say last May 4:
Filo said that on May 4, 1970, he had set out on campus for lunch.

''I left Taylor Hall with the goal over the next hour to make a photo that represented what was going on in the nation with the students and their protests against the war in Vietnam,'' Filo said. ''I got what I thought was a great picture of [Alan] Canfora holding a U.S. flag, the lone figure against the mass of guardsmen. It was my best photo ever.''

That all changed a few minutes later, when Filo heard the gunshots and saw Vecchio kneeling over Miller.

''That was a reaction shot,'' Filo said.

Filo said he received hate mail after the picture was published. And he was told by an uncle who had served in the armed forces, ''If you were out there, you should have been shot.''

''The thing I remember the most is the feeling of total helplessness,'' Filo said. ''It's the same helplessness I feel at times now later in life.

''Sometimes, there is no help, just friendship and an attempt to understand what's going on. That's the way we all felt that day, a day that will be with us all until the end.''The comment from his uncle was :eek: and :( at the same time -- the Vietnam War really tore this country apart in many ways that are still not completely healed.

Susan1
05-05-2010, 11:54 PM
Er, she lived in Ohio for 3 years and never knew about the Kent State shootings?! :duh:

I went to Kent State from 98-02 and the 30th anniversary occurred when I was there. I was in the journalism program, which at the time was in Taylor Hall, the building that it all happened around. Every day I walked to class past a metal sculpture with a bullet hole in it. There are quite a few memorials on campus, including lighted ones in the parking lot highlighting the spot where each of the four died. :yikes:

She's lived in Ohio for the past three years (and this is southwestern Ohio, nowhere near Kent State). She's only 35. I don't think I would know a lot of the details of something that happened in another state five years before I was born that only gets mentioned once a year

Squibble
05-06-2010, 12:56 AM
She's lived in Ohio for the past three years (and this is southwestern Ohio, nowhere near Kent State). She's only 35. I don't think I would know a lot of the details of something that happened in another state five years before I was born that only gets mentioned once a year

It is a sad commentary on American society that this should be the case. Kent State was a landmark event in American history, and any reasonably well-informed 35-year-old American should be aware of Kent State and its effect on civic discourse -- as demonstrated in the hostile comments made to John Filo by his uncle (see skatingfan5's post) and also those directed at 14-year-old Mary Vecchio by the governor of Florida :eek: (see the link to the USA Today article in ilovepaydays' original post).

I'm not saying that most people are aware of Kent State, only that they should be.

Yazmeen
05-06-2010, 02:33 AM
It is a sad commentary on American society that this should be the case. Kent State was a landmark event in American history, and any reasonably well-informed 35-year-old American should be aware of Kent State and its on civic discourse -- as demonstrated in the hostile comments made to John Filo by his uncle (see skatingfan5's post) and also those directed at 14-year-old Mary Vecchio by the governor of Florida :eek: (see the link to the USA Today article in ilovepaydays' original post).

I'm not saying that most people are aware of Kent State, only that they should be.

:respec: I am in my early fifties and clearly remember this event. That was an era in America of "love it (America) or leave it (despite your freedoms, ask no questions and don't dare protest anything)." Which also translated to "don't expect those of us in power to change anything for those of you who are not."