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Sylvia
04-30-2010, 05:30 PM
It's 202 pages long: http://isu.sportcentric.net/db//files/serve.php?id=1859

ETA: The "good" news is that the proposed new age rules for Juniors (if they pass, and I hope they don't as written) would NOT take effect until the 2011-12 season (see page 63).

elfenblüte
04-30-2010, 05:44 PM
I am afraid to read this...:yikes:

Debbie S
04-30-2010, 07:04 PM
The first 50 pages is a lot of admin/bylaw stuff. Proposals begin on p. 51 - first general rules, then the proposals for each sport - figure skating begins on p. 101.

The things that jump out at me:

1. A couple of different proposals to count all judges' scores - no more random selection.

2. Qual rounds at ISU Campionships are back. It looks like a country's entries won't have to qual if the country had the same number of finishers in the top 18 (singles) or 12 (pairs), or 15 (dance) the year before. If not, they go to a QR before the SP/OD (or whatever the new dance abbreviation will be). It will be the day before the main comp begins and it appears individual feds will have to foot the extra hotel bill.

3. For Senior-level championships, skaters/teams need to achieve a minimum score in either the current or previous season to be able to even go - for Men, it's 40 in the SP, 70 in the FS; Ladies - 30 in the SP, 50 in the FS; Pairs - 35 in the SP, 60 in the FS; Dance - 20 CD, 35 OD, 55 FD. I guess this might save us from skaters who can't land double jumps.

4. It also looks like the age rules for Junior int'ls may change to take away the under-21 provision for a male pairs skater/dancer and make 18 the age limit for everyone.

5. SP changes: the spiral sequence is being removed from the Junior and Senior Ladies SP but can be included as a "transition". Both men and ladies will have 1 step sequence. Senior ladies may do 3axel in the SP. Men can do 2 different quads. 2 step sequences (men) and 1 step and 1 spiral (ladies) are still required in the FS. In Pairs SP, it looks like there will be no more spiral sequence, at least for the next 5 years, and the solo spin combo and pair spin combo will alternate from 1 year to the next - next season, it's the solo spin. In Pairs FS, a spiral sequence is required instead of a step.

6. In Dance, there is a new type of step sequence for the "short dance" - the Partial Step Sequence (performed anywhere on the ice) :confused:

Kneeling or sliding on both knees has been outlawed in both the short dance and FD, as has swinging a partner around by the skates or legs (doesn't say anything about costumes, though, I thought that had also been included?).

gkelly
04-30-2010, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the highlights, Debbie. I'll have to scan the whole thing myself when I get a chance.

Some thoughts:


1. A couple of different proposals to count all judges' scores - no more random selection.

Yes -- please pass one of these.


3. For Senior-level championships, skaters/teams need to achieve a minimum score in either the current or previous season to be able to even go - for Men, it's 40 in the SP, 70 in the FS; Ladies - 30 in the SP, 50 in the FS; Pairs - 35 in the SP, 60 in the FS; Dance - 20 CD, 35 OD, 55 FD. I guess this might save us from skaters who can't land double jumps.

Well, these are very achievable scores for anyone who wants to compete at the senior level. It won't make much difference in the total numbers of entrants but will exclude skaters who aren't close to an international standard.


4. It also looks like the age rules for Junior int'ls may change to take away the under-21 provision for a male pairs skater/dancer and make 18 the age limit for everyone.

This could cause problems.


5. SP changes: the spiral sequence is being removed from the Junior and Senior Ladies SP but can be included as a "transition". Both men and ladies will have 1 step sequence. Senior ladies may do 3axel in the SP. Men can do 2 different quads. 2 step sequences (men) and 1 step and 1 spiral (ladies) are still required in the FS. In Pairs SP, it looks like there will be no more spiral sequence, at least for the next 5 years, and the solo spin combo and pair spin combo will alternate from 1 year to the next - next season, it's the solo spin. In Pairs FS, a spiral sequence is required instead of a step.

Huh. We'll see whether these all pass.

So they're taking an element out of the SP but keeping it in the LP? In one way it makes more sense to require specific spiral skills as an element in the more technical program and give more freedom in the supposedly freer program.

But in another way, this will lower the scores in the short programs so that they will be closer to half that of the long programs. So that may make it harder for skaters to build up as much of a lead after the short.

Well, harder for those skaters who excel in spirals or steps. Skaters who blow everyone else away primarily on the jumps will still have big leads.

There will be more time for transitions in the short programs (since the difference in time limit between the two programs is narrower than the difference in number of elements -- or are they also going back to the 2:40 maximum?). Which means that the stronger overall skaters, who use the extra time for in-betweens wisely and boost their PCS as a result, can still build up good leads.

caseyedwards
04-30-2010, 07:44 PM
Now Kevin Renolds can do both of his quads in the short program

HisWeirness
04-30-2010, 07:45 PM
The Congress will be held from June 12-20, 2010. Looks like elections will be on 18 June.

ISU is proposing to undergo a major restructuring.

Here is the summary info:

At the most recent Council Meetings, Proposals by Members for the 2010 Congress Agenda were reviewed. This input, plus Council re-consideration of certain Proposals has resulted in important modifications to prior versions of the Council Proposals. The Council appreciates the careful attention of the Members to specific issues, as well as the general comments received from Members.

The final Council Proposals on this Agenda differ from prior versions in these principal respects:

deletion of a proposed Executive Committee in favour of ad hoc duty assignments by the Council;
dropping from consideration a reduction in the number of elected members of the TCs;
adding specific restrictions upon the extraordinary powers of the Council (US proposal);
increasing the role of the Vice-Presidents (Russian proposal);
providing the possibility that the appointed member of a TC may be of the same nationality as one of the elected member (Italian Proposal);
and including Technical Controllers as persons qualified for election to the TC (Canadian proposal).


As a result of the above, if the Council Proposals are adopted by the Congress effective immediately (Constitution Article 1, paragraph 2) as a package, inconsistent Member proposals on the Agenda will be deleted and removed from Congress consideration to shorten an already very-long Agenda.

Also proposed is:
• a shorter Congress (4 days) held at 4 year intervals (in June after each OWG) with a Member’s Conference of fewer participants held 2 years after each Congress. The quadrennial Congress Agenda will be composed of proposed amendments to the Constitution, By-Laws, General Regulations and Special Regulations. Only the Council and Members may propose such amendments to the Congress. The Technical Committees and Sports Directors may suggest such amendments to the Council for possible adoption as Proposals to the Congress.

Next there is the constitution including the proposed changes.
Then, the proposals are listed starting on page 51.

Constitution Proposals (FS = figure skating federation)

1. Finland FS: Add Office Holders in the Organization of the ISU – xiii)Marketing Director and xiv) Public Relations and Communication Director
Council NOT in favor

2. Serbia: Only those representatives of Members may attend who have been duly nominated by Members.
Council NOT in favor

3. Canada FS: During the Congress any Member can request debate on to a specific change in the Technical Rules as proposed by the respective Technical Committee and approved by the Sports Directorate.
Reason: To allow any technical rule change to be debated using positive language, which should lead to less confusion in the voting process.
Council NOT in favor

4. Russia FS: Any objection put forward by a Member during the Congress to a change in the Technical Rules as proposed by the respective Technical Committee and approved by the respective Vice President Sports Directorate requires a second member to support the objection and subsequently a simple majority to become effective. Such objection may only propose not to accept the change, it cannot propose any amendment.
Council NOT in favor

5. USA FS: Term limits. Elected officials may serve for a maximum of three successive four-year terms. :cheer:
Council IN favor, as long as each ISU office (president, VP, etc) is counted separately for term limits

6. Russia FS: Have the Technical Committees under the supervision of the corresponding Vice-President.
Council IN favor

7. Austria: The right to modify or the suspend of the applicability of any Rule has always been a privilege of the Members. The Members must be involved in the process and not just be informed of decisions taken by the Council.
Council NOT in favor :lol:, see proposal 9

8. Russia FS: The right to modify or suspend the applicability of any Rules is always a privilege of the Members. Only the Congress may take decisions on general aspects of ISU Rules and the Council should not have the power to change the decision of the Congress.
Council NOT in favor, see proposal 9

9. USA FS: Define what "exceptional circumstances" means when the Council acts alone to change Rules, etc. without the Congress' (and Members) approval/input. :cheer:
Council IN favor, included in Restructuring proposal.

10. Russia FS: similar to proposal 6. Included in Restructuring proposal.

11. Serbia: stuff about the sports director...

12. USA FS: Singles and Pairs FS technical committee needs more members because they have more officials and events to oversee than Dance and Synchro committees.
Council NOT in favor

13. Italy: Within one Committee the members must be of different nationalities and ISU Members except for the Skater and/or Coach appointed who may have the same nationality as one of the elected Committee members.
Council IN favor

14. Canada FS: Only persons named in the current lists of ISU Referees, ISU Controllers or ISU Judges are eligible for election to the four positions in the Committees for Single and Pair Skating, Ice Dance or Synchronized Skating and then only in the respective branch;
Reason: To more formally allow the expertise of the technical panel to be reflected in the composition of the technical committee.
Council IN favor

15. Croatia FS: more stuff about who can be on technical committees. Council NOT in favor.

16. Russia FS: similar to proposal 6. Included in Restructuring proposal.

17. Canada FS: Include non-mathematical criteria when the Officials’ Assessment Commission (OAC) identifies Referee and Judging anomalies.
Council IN favor

18. Finland FS: Include decisions taken by Technical Panels in the OAC's work.
Council IN favor, see restructuring.

19. Serbia: restrict OAC membership to referees only.
Council NOT in favor, need judges in the OAC for figure skating.

20. USA speed: 21 day advanced notice of any rule changes for competitors.
Council NOT in favor

21. France: convene workshops outside of Congress meetings.
Council NOT in favor, new restructuring gets rid of workshops.

22. Serbia: Get rid of workshops. Too :bribe: to attend.
Council IN favor, see restructuring.

23. Canada FS: Allow the financial report (item 15) to happen in advance of any consideration of proposals so that the financial reality of the union can be properly considered in the debate of proposals.
Council IN favor, see restructuring.

24. Canada FS: Allow any technical rule change to be debated using positive language, which should lead to less confusion in the voting process.
Council NOT in favor, new restructuring puts technical rule changes under the Council.

25. Russia FS: similar to proposal 6. Included in Restructuring proposal.

Next, I will outline the rule change proposals.

literaryfreak
04-30-2010, 08:17 PM
So for ice dance, there is a Pattern Dance AND a Short Dance, in addition to the Free Dance?

HisWeirness
04-30-2010, 08:18 PM
Rules/Regulations Proposals

26. ISU: Add World Team Trophy (WTT) and Synchro Jr. World Challenge Cup to the list of official "ISU Events." This list already includes ISU Championships and the GP and JGP.

27. ISU: Members shall have the obligation to inform the ISU immediately in case that a Skater or official, who has taken part in international activities as an eligible person, becomes ineligible.
The ISU wants to get notice from the member (federations) is someone is ineligible/retired.

28. ISU: Trademarks - clarify that trademarks worn by skaters during official pre-competition warmups (i.e. the six minute warm up) are allowed and restricted based on Rule 102.

29. Finland FS: increase the number of allowed trademarks from 2 to 4 to increase sponsorship :bribe:
Council IN favor

30. ISU: annual fees....

31. USA FS: TV rights - clarify TV rights for ISU events versus domestic events.
Council NOT in favor, likes the old wording better

32. France: Put federations in charge of overseeing internet gambling on events. :rofl: :confused:
Council NOT in favor, does not want to get involved in betting activities

33. USA speed: Speed skating TV stuff.

34. Finland FS: change the name of the Synchro Jr. World Challenge Cup to the World Jr. Synchro Skating Champs.
Council NOT in favor, added this comp to ISU events.

35. ISU: Add language about Youth Olympic Games and WTT to Rule 107.

36. ISU: Eliminate Short track team worlds.

37. Finland FS: Only ISU sanctioned comps should be on ISU calendar. Only members (federations) can enter skaters in sanctioned comps.
Council NOT in favor, provision already in Rule 109.

38. France: have an ISU Syncro World Cup (novice, jr, sr) Series
Council NOT in favor

39. France: add a "juvenile" competition category.
Council NOT in favor

40. France: change wording about Adult comps.
Council NOT in favor

41. France: international comps for disabled skaters
Council NOT in favor, not their area of expertise

42. France: Age limits for figure skating. Change ages for novice, create ages for juvenile comps.
Council NOT in favor.

43. ISU: Age limits.


a) The word “Senior” is used in this Rule and in the ISU Statutes to describe participation in certain events/competitions that have a minimum age entry requirement of fifteen (15) years, determined in each instance by the birthday of the Skater that occurs before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant competition.
b) “Senior” shall not be used in the title of any ISU Event. The official title of the ISU Event is that title stated in a specific ISU directive such as the ISU Communication announcing allotments by the Council, the relevant Memorandum, or the Official ISU Trade name and Trademark Guide.
...
For all ISU sport disciplines when a Junior of 15 years reached before July 1st, has competed twice in total in Senior events, even in different seasons, the Skater cannot compete any more in Junior events/competitions.
For the determination of the applicable two Senior events permitted the following applies: all Senior major events (ISU Championships, ISU Team Events, Olympic Winter Games) count each for one participation of the two max. permitted, but ISU Grand Prix Series and Final, ISU World Cup Speed Skating and ISU World Cup Short Track
Speed Skating, regardless of participation in more than one competition forming a series, shall be considered as one participation only.
For Pairs and Ice Dance the conditions above governing participation in Senior events and limiting return to Junior events are valid, but in case of change of partner the participation in previous Senior competition/s will not count.


Age limits for figure skating.


a) Senior
In ISU Senior Championships, ISU Senior Grand Prix of Figure Skating and Final, International Senior Competitions and the Olympic Winter Games only Skaters may compete who have reached the age of fifteen (15) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition. For exceptions see item c) of this paragraph.

b) Junior
i) A Junior is a Skater who has reached the age of thirteen (13) but not the age of eighteen (18) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition.
ii) In ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships and ISU Synchronized World Challenge Cup for Juniors, only Junior Skaters may compete who have reached the age of fourteen (14) but not the age of eighteen (18) before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant event/competition.
iii) International Junior Competitions are open only to age-eligible Junior Skaters. Sub-groups are permitted with the approval of the Council.

c) Pair Skating and Ice Dance (Pairs and Couples)
What in this paragraph 3 related to these two sport disciplines, with the exception of the Novice category, becomes effective as of the season 2011/12 – for the season 2010/11 the age limits for Pair Skating and Ice Dance as per Rule 108, paragaraph 2 of the 2008 General Regulations apply.
Exclusively for Pairs and Couples the following special age Rule is applicable. Between two Skaters it is permitted a difference of age so that Skaters of thirteen or fourteen years can form a Pair or Couple with a Skater of eighteen or nineteen years (therefore no longer Junior). Provided they are qualified and entered by their Member according to ISU Rules, these Pairs/Couples can take part in any ISU Events and International Competitions with the exclusion of all Junior events/competitions, the Olympic Winter Games and YOG for which specific age limits are imposed.

d) Novice:
i) A Novice is a Skater who, before the July 1st immediately preceding the relevant competition, has reached the age of ten (10) but not the age of thirteen (13).
ii) In International Novice Competitions, subgroups are permitted with the approval of the Council.
iii) A Novice Skater in Pairs or Ice Dance may compete in a Junior Competition with a Junior partner if that partner is age-eligible to compete in the relevant competition as a Junior.

Synchro age limits are similar to the other FS limits.


5. Special Categories for All Disciplines
It is evident that some Skaters who reach the upper age limit for Juniors require further improvement (through training
and competition) to compete effectively with more seasoned Skaters.
Accordingly, Skaters of an age exceeding Junior age may be assigned to one of two Special Categories (SC) titled: SC1
and SC2. Such assignment is made by each Skater’s respective Member association if approved by the relevant ISU
Technical Committee.
It is foreseen that at national level elite Skaters of a Member aged 18, 19 will be assigned to SC1, those aged 20, 21, 22
to category SC2 and can take part in all International Competitions, ISU Events and Olympic Winter Games, provided
they are qualified and entered by their Member/NOC according to the ISU/IOC Rules Age reached before the July 1st
immediately preceding the relevant competition.
In Pairs and Ice Dance, Skaters of age for SC1 or SC2 can participate with a partner of Junior age in competitions open
to the mentioned categories SC1 or SC2, but the Pair or Couple having one Junior Skater cannot skate in Junior
competitions.
Organizers may organize events/competitions that permit all entered Skaters in categories SC1 and SC2 to compete
with the other entered Skaters. The results for the Special Categories, however, may be separately reported for
statistical purposes.

more to come.

HisWeirness
04-30-2010, 08:31 PM
Rules/Regulations proposals continued.

44. Russia FS: change senior age limit to 14 from 15 so the age limit is consistent across all international comps including ISU Champs.
Council NOT in favor, see new age rule proposal from ISU.

45. Russia FS: reduce upper junior ages from 19 to 18 in singles and from 21 to 19 for men in pairs/couples.
Council NOT in favor, see new age rule proposal from ISU.

46. Russia FS: Introduce international Novice age limits and comps.
Council NOT in favor, see new age rule proposal from ISU.

47. France: synchro age limits....
Council NOT in favor, see new age rule proposal from ISU.

48. ISU: "The AZE Rule" (my words, not theirs ;))

The Council may also reject an application from a Member for a permission that a Skater who has or had foreign citizenship may compete for that Member, although the formalities and requirements stated in this rule have been met, if in the opinion of the Council granting such application would be contrary to the purpose and spirit of the rule. (E.g. in case that a Member tries to “import” several athletes with foreign citizenship , in particular when such athletes should form a new national team of such Member or its substantial part.) :eek:
Reason: Some Members, instead of educating their own Skaters, have repeatedly tried to "import" foreign Skaters and grant them in some kind of extraordinary and speedy proceeding citizenship of the country of that Member in order that the Member may be represented in international competitions and ISU Events.
Such actions are contrary to the purpose and spirit of rule 109 which is to make it possible for Skaters, who for serious and genuine reasons have to change their citizenship or permanent residence, to continue to compete. :)

49. France: Stop sending hard copies to the ISU of competition annoucements.
Council IN favor

50. Ice Dance TC: update language in Rule 112 to reflect the new Pattern Dance (replace CD) and Short Dance (replace OD).
Council IN favor

51. ISU: Implement consistent procedure for dealing with late entries.

52. France: Add wording to allow entrance fees for international competitions that are not ISU events.
Council IN favor, but change ISU events to ISU champs

53. Finland FS: keep close relatives for serving technical/judging roles for the same segment of a competition.
Council NOT in favor, already sufficient wording in Rule 121

54. USA FS: conflict of interests for ISU office holders... ISU Council will further evaluate this.

55. Ice Dance TC: update language in Rule 123 to reflect the new Pattern Dance (replace CD) and Short Dance (replace OD).
Council IN favor

56. France: similar to proposal 49. Council IN favor.

57. ISU: about announcement copies.

58. ISU (Drafting Matter): OAC members at a FS championship are appointed by the ISU President.

59. Japan: In World Junior Figure Skating Championships the only Skaters who did not participate in European Championships or Four Continents Championships in relevant ISU skating season are eligible to compete. Too much stress to do both.
Council NOT in favor. See age limits to restrict Junior/Senior overlap.

60. ISU: Make sure that skaters have cleared the internet rights as well for their program music and choreo (in addition to performance and TV rights).

Imperfect Edge
04-30-2010, 08:37 PM
I disagree with the age restriction changes - they will hamper/discourage 'late developers' and weaker skating nations. Dont mind the restriction limiting juniors competing in Senior events too. And by bringing down the age limit for boys ... you are penalising the girls who will be forced to skate senior before their time as most have older partners.

The qualifying round is probably a good idea if we are to accept these reduced free skate numbers.

I dont understand what the proposals are for ice dance in terms of the compulsory/original replacement?

kirkbiggestfan
04-30-2010, 08:45 PM
Now Kevin Renolds can do both of his quads in the short program

Can he do steps into his quads?
I wonder if Joubert may go for the quad sal in the short too.

Cloudy_Gumdrops
04-30-2010, 08:45 PM
So, they're replacing the CD with the pattern dance and the OD with the short dance and there's still gonna be a FD?

I thought the purpose of getting rid of the CD was to cut down ice dance to only 2 segments.

Debbie S
04-30-2010, 08:46 PM
So for ice dance, there is a Pattern Dance AND a Short Dance, in addition to the Free Dance?My understanding is that the new segment will be called the Short Dance, and that will consist of a set pattern dance (the CD) and additional required elements that will make up the optional portion.

I also noticed that there is a rule that dancers can not be separated for more than 5 secs in the Short Dance, except at the beginning and end. Was this a rule for the OD?

caseyedwards
04-30-2010, 08:53 PM
Can he do steps into his quads?
I wonder if Joubert may go for the quad sal in the short too.

Steps into a quad would be hard. I don't know.

gkelly
04-30-2010, 08:54 PM
I also noticed that there is a rule that dancers can not be separated for more than 5 secs in the Short Dance, except at the beginning and end. Was this a rule for the OD?

Well, not for the no-touching midline step sequence ;).