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04-30-2010, 09:00 PM
3. For Senior-level championships, skaters/teams need to achieve a minimum score in either the current or previous season to be able to even go - for Men, it's 40 in the SP, 70 in the FS; Ladies - 30 in the SP, 50 in the FS; Pairs - 35 in the SP, 60 in the FS; Dance - 20 CD, 35 OD, 55 FD. I guess this might save us from skaters who can't land double jumps.

:( Clara Peters' 'career' over before it begun :drama:

04-30-2010, 09:01 PM
Rules/Regulations proposals continued.

61. Finland speed/FS: competition declaration form changes.
Council IN favor

62. ISU (Drafting Matter): speed skating stuff.

63. ISU: Award of Medals.
Synchro medals at Worlds only for skaters who participated in at least one segment of competition.
Get rid of "small" medals at ISU figure skating championships.

64. Ice Dance TC: more short dance rewording stuff for award of medals.
Council is getting rid of small medals so it does not matter.

65. France and 66. Japan: more hard copies of results issues.

67. ISU: Competition Expenses. Make changes from Communication 1562 and improve wording.

68. Russia FS: Extend how long expenses are covered for Officials at competitions so they can improve their expertise by seeing other events.
Council NOT in favor

69: Russia FS: competitor expenses, let all competitor expenses be paid through the exhibition.
Council NOT in favor

70. ISU: manage judges expenses, limit number of nominated judges to 3 from each member.

71-160 are speed skating proposals.

04-30-2010, 09:09 PM
Thanks, HisWeirness!

1. Finland FS: Add Office Holders in the Organization of the ISU xiii)Marketing Director and xiv) Public Relations and Communication Director
Council NOT in favor

How shortsighted. If any organization needs some professional advice on marketing and PR, it would be the ISU.

23. Canada FS: Allow the financial report (item 15) to happen in advance of any consideration of proposals so that the financial reality of the union can be properly considered in the debate of proposals.

The ISU has financial reports? Seriously, who knew? I'd sure like to see one of these.

04-30-2010, 09:12 PM
There's sooo much to digest right now. I spent like 3 hours reading all and still Im unclear about lots of stuff , specially the new Short Dance..

Overall this new proposals arent as whacky as I thought they would be but I hate that there are so many of them included in one single rule so the voting will come as a package. For example, I really like the new proposal of skaters that already competed internationally twice as seniro can not go to Jr. Worlds but I really dont like the restriction to only 18 years for all Pair/Dance boys but since both proposals are within the same rule it's all or nothing. I wouldnt want to be a member representative for sure.

04-30-2010, 09:34 PM
161. France: the required elements and the Scales of Values should be both included in the same Technical Rule.

162. ISU: Random draw for JGPF judges, from Communication 1535.

163. Austria FS: Eliminate random draw of judges, use the marks of all judges on the panel.

164. Canada FS: Remove secret-random draw process from the selection of judges.

165. Russia FS: Have 9 judges on panel plus one substitute. Have all 9 scores count, but maintain anonymity of judges.

166. USA FS: Allow all judges scores to count after a trim of the high and low score. Require 12 judges and one substitute judge at major competitions.

167. Ice Dance TC: Update language with Pattern Dance (prescribed dance) and Short Dance (prescribed rhythm). The Short Dance and Free Dance must be included in all ISU Championships, the Olympic Winter Games and in ISU Grand Prix events (Senior and Junior). Separate International Senior Competitions in Free Dance only may be organized.

168. France: similar to 161.

169. France: similar to 167.

170. Ice Dance TC: update names of dances.

171. Ice Dance TC: Composition of Ice Dance events.

ISU Championships, Olympics, and ISU Grand Prix (Senior and Junior) dance events shall consist of Short Dance and Free Dance

International Competitions in Ice Dance shall consist of:

Short Dance and Free Dance,
Pattern Dance and Free Dance, or
Free Dance (Senior only).

172. Canada FS: similar to 171, but includes that Junior events be a CD and a FD.

While we completely agree with the position for the Senior level (and have advocated such for many years) this proposal will allow compulsory dances continue to play a vital and viable competition role for developmental ice dancers.

173. France: Same as Canada 172.

174. Tech Committee (TC): add exception for technical specialists.

175. Tech Comm: Require Senior and Junior Grand Prix Final and Olympic Qualifying Competition judges to be ISU judges.

176. Canada FS: modify rule language in preparation of elimination of secret-random judges scores draw.

177., 178., 179., 180., and 181. Ice Dance TC: add new dances to rules.

182. Canada FS: Clarify how the trimmed mean for judges scores is calculated.

183. SPS (single and pairs skating) TC: Jump combinations are evaluated as one unit by adding the base values of the jumps included, multiplying the result by 1.1 and after that applying the GOE with the numerical value of the most difficult jump.
Reason: to give more credit to jump combinations which are more difficult than the included jumps in isolation. :cheer:

184. SPS, Ice Dance, Synchro TC: Delete bonus in Rule 353 (An innovative element, movement or transition may be granted with a special bonus of two (2) points. This bonus can only be obtained once for a program) because it has never been used up to now.
Also to have the same values for Combination Lift as for the two Short Lifts in Ice Dance.

185., 186., 187., and 188. Denmark/Finland/Norway/Sweden: multiply base values (not GOE) of jumps/throws/lifts after 2 minutes (2 min 20 sec for pairs) in the short program by 1.1

Wow, there are 134 proposals to go. :scream:

189. ISU: Change the deduction for costume and prop violations as follows:
- costume and prop violation – 3.0 per violation; (singles and pairs)

Add the deduction for music violation and change the deduction for costume and prop violations as follows (ice dance)
- violation of music restrictions (Free Dance) – 3.0; :eek:
- costume and prop violation – 3.0;
- part of the costume/decoration fall on the ice – 1.0

Reason: to avoid to draw the public’s attraction more towards the costume than the performance, to stay within a proper sport character; the increase of deductions should reflect the severity of violation.

190. SPS TC: Delete the following from Rule 353 1 m ii:
- deduction of -2.0 will be applied when appropriate in case of a fresh start (see Rule 551);
Reason: though the goal of applying this deduction is quite fair, a decision to stop competitor(s) which will be followed by a serious deduction, seems a too big pressure on the Referees; the Judges however will be advised that a “fresh start” might negatively influence the Components scores.

191. Italy: remove the 1.0 point vocal music deduction for singles and pairs.
Vocal music is not allowed so why deduct for using it, inconsistent.

192. Ice Dance TC: Program Component Factors for Ice Dance
i) The panel’s points for each Program Component are then multiplied by factors which are as follows:

Pattern Dance

Skating Skills 0.75
Performance 0.50
Interpretation 0.50
Timing 0.75

Short Dance

Skating Skills 0.80
Transitions/Linking Footwork/Movements 0.80 0.70
Performance/Execution 0.60 0.70
Composition/Choreography 0.60 0.80
Interpretation/Timing 1.00

Free Dance – not changed.

193. Ice Dance TC: new dance language change.

194. France: For the Original and Free Dance only: if a stumble or fall causes in case interruptions to the program due to one or both partners’ mistake that exceed 5 seconds, an additional deduction will be applied as follows:
-1.0 (for 6-15 seconds interruption) and -2.0 (for 16-30 seconds interruption)
Reason: interruptions by the Skaters’ mistake can be caused by other reasons than stumble or fall.

195. Ice Dance TC: new dance language change.

196. USA FS: Factored segment scores rounded to two decimal places before calculation continues.

197. Ice Dance TC: new dance language change.

198. ISU: Clarification of placements and results publication in the case of withdrawals and disqualifications between competition segments.

199. ISU Council: Clarify tie-breaking rules using wording from Communication 1535.

200. Ice Dance TC: new dance language change.

201. France: move from hard to electronic copies.

202. Japan: move from hard to electronic copies.

203. Ice Dance TC: If possible, ISU Ice Dance Championships should be completed within a maximum period of four (4) three (3) consecutive days.

204. Canada FS: same as 203.

04-30-2010, 10:15 PM

found on page 111

Minimum qualifying scores are introduced. Members (federations) can enter at least one competitor per discipline provided that they have met the minimum qualifying score.

Minimum Qualifying Scores
To be entered into and participate in the Championships/Qualifying Round of a Senior ISU Championships a Competitor must have reached in an ISU recognized International Competition during the ongoing or immediately preceeding season the applicable minimum Total Result Scores (points). The applicable minimum Total Result Scores shall be decided for each season by the ISU Council based on a joint proposal from the respective Technical Committee and the Sports Directorate and shall be published in an ISU Communication. No Minimum Score is required for the ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships.

Please note that the applicable Minimum Total Result Scores for results obtained during the season 2009/10 will be as follows:
Men: 40 (SP), 70 (FS)
Ladies: 30 (SP), 50 (FS)
Pair Skating: 35 (SP), 60 (FS)
Ice Dance: 20 (CD), 35 (OD), 55 (FD) or 35 (SD) and 55 (FD)

Competitors can be entered directly into the first segment of the competition or into the Qualifying Round (QR).

Total Number of Entries into each Competition Segment
Euros and 4CCs:
Singles: 28 (first segment) = 18 (direct entries) + 10 (QR)
Pairs: 18 (first segment) = 12 (direct entries) + 6 (QR)
Ice Dance: 20 (first segment) = 12 (direct entries) + 8 (QR)

Worlds and Jr. Worlds:
Singles: 30 (first segment) = 18 (direct entries) + 12 (QR)
Pairs: 20 (first segment) = 12 (direct entries) + 8 (QR)
Ice Dance: 25 (first segment) = 15 (direct entries) + 10 (QR)

* In the case that the number of total Competitors subject to be entered into a Championships, either directly or through a Qualifying Round exceeds this quota only by 2 Competitors, the President has the right to cancel such Qualifying Round for the respective discipline and to increase the number of total entries into the first segment of the Championships by 2 Competitors. (applies for all ISU Championships)

In case some of the Members do not use their full quota of Direct entries, the resulting open Direct entries will be replaced by Qualifying Round entries by increasing the number of Qualifying Round entries. (for Jr. Worlds and Worlds).

Overall Entry Quotas
Members who have participated in the immediately preceding season in the corresponding discipline (Men, Ladies, Pair Skating, Ice Dance) of the same Championship shall accumulate points equal to the sum of placements of their Competitors who were entered in this preceding season’s Championships.

The point system remains the same as currently used to determine spots (entry quotas) for Euros and Worlds. 4CC is still open entry (no quota, max 3 per member).

Direct Entries
Members are listed in the order of their best placed participant in the corresponding discipline of the preceding season’s same Championships.

From the Overall Entry Quota a Member gets as many Direct entries as the number of this Member’s Skaters in the top 18 places for Singles, top 12 places for Pairs and top 15 places for Ice Dance in the corresponding discipline of the preceding season’s same Championships.

In case the number of Direct Entries obtained this way is less than required, the next listed Member(s) obtain the right for Direct entry until the required number of entries is reached.

For these Direct entries, the respective Members may decide upon the entries by name at their discretion provided the entered Competitor(s) have reached the Minimum Scores as per paragraph 3. above.

Qualifying Round
Competitors competing in the Qualifying Round and succeeding to earn an entry into the first segment of the Championships, are entitled to skate the first segment of the Championships. In case of withdrawal/disqualification, the corresponding entry into the first segment cannot be transferred to another Competitor of the Member.

The Qualifying Rounds include only the Free Skating, respectively the Free Dance.

The Qualifying Rounds will be skated at least one day prior to the first competition day of the respective Championships in the same venue as the Championships.

However, the expenses for travel, board and lodging of participants in the Qualifying
Rounds are at the expense of the participating Members.

The draw for the starting order in the Qualifying Round will be made according to Rule 579, respectively 635.

Scores (Points) achieved at the Qualifying Round shall not be considered for the Final.

Disposed Entries :confused:
In case a Member disposes of Direct entries as well as Qualifying Round entries in a Championships/discipline, the Competitors ranked higher in the ISU World Standings (at time of making the entry) must be given preference for the Direct entries. The Competitor(s) ranked lower in the ISU World Standings must be entered into the Qualifying Round.

(^ I am not sure I understand this...I think they are trying to say that if for example Russia has 3 pairs spots but only 2 direct entries the top 2 ISU-ranked pairs get the direct entries and the lower ranked pair has to go to the QR.
Or are they talking about if someone gives up a direct entry and who it goes to?. I don't get how they are using "dispose" here...)

Host Member Rule
If the competitor(s) of the host member did not qualify for the first segment (SP, SD) during the QR, one competitor of the Host Member shall have the right to additionally enter and participate in each discipline provided they meet the minimum score requirements.

Reason: The increasingly high number of entries in ISU Championships constitutes a serious challenge and threat, both to the organizing ISU Members and the ISU. It results in high expenses and has already threatened the appropriate financial funding and consequently organization and conduct of ISU Championships. It furthermore makes it basically impossible to stage attractive Championships with high quality skating and a reasonable duration which nowadays is crucial for live TV telecast and for attracting the public on site.

The Council and Techical Committees have prepared this proposal taking into account that the ISU Championships are the highest level ISU Events. As such, Championships should be open to Competitors of an adequate level only and consequently guaranty to remain an attractive product for the media and the public which is the basis to generate the needed ISU incomes. Such incomes are the necessary basis to maintain the ISU activity thanks to generous ISU financial support.

The Council furthermore took into account that the ISU is giving substantial financial support to other ISU Events, such as the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating and ISU Junior Grand Prix of Figure Skating where lower level competitors have a chance to compete internationally at favourable financial conditions.

Through the introduction of Qualifying Rounds before and at the site of the Championships for lower level Competitors and the reduction of entries into the actual Championships, the financial burden of the Championships organizing Members becomes more reasonable. All Members, also those with lower level Skaters, have a possibility to be on site of the Championships at a certain expense and possibly qualify their Competitors for the actual Championships.

04-30-2010, 10:43 PM
Thanks, HisWeirness.

Much to think about.

I wonder if some of these proposals (like the "Disposed Entries" one) make more sense in whatever language the originator normally speaks. I'm confused. (Feels like I'm reading a use and care booklet from 1990 written by someone in Taiwan who learned English from someone who knew someone who sort-of spoke English.

04-30-2010, 11:06 PM
Interesting to note that the second step sequence for the men and the spiral sequence for the ladies will have a fixed base value and be judged only on GOE. Only two 3 second positions or one 6 second position is required for a spiral sequence to count.

The men also must pick either camel or sit for their flying spin in the SP and do the other position for their change foot single position spin. IIRC, many of the men have iffy camel spins, so this should be interesting to see :yikes:.

04-30-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm really confused at the rule that says a short dance OR a pattern dance can be used as the first round in ice dance. Are they going to go back and forth between the two types like they do (or did :() between different compulsory dances?

Also, with the previous language about music selections in ice dance and now the increase in deductions for "violations of music", I'm just not encouraged about the direction dance continues to take. I think everyone will play it even more safe and we'll see a bunch of Shpilband knockoffs this season.

I would love that they're increasing the value of the Choreography mark for ice dance if the judges actually marked it individually rather than just keeping it in line as the other PCS. More 9' and 10's for Davis and White, and now they'll be worth even more! :wall:

The "Aze Rule" is :lol:. But how do they determine what are "genuine" and "serious" reasons for changing countries? That might get messy.

It looks like there is consensus for bringing back a full panel, although Russia still wants the anonymity. I can understand that after the Russia judged got raked over the coals for being the only one brave enough to mark Hughe's sp correctly in SLC.

I love that France is trying to think of ways to bring in cash, but if online gambling of skating events becomes standard than I fear for my financial well being. :lol:

04-30-2010, 11:16 PM
Interesting to note that the second step sequence for the men and the spiral sequence for the ladies will have a fixed base value and be judged only on GOE. Only two 3 second positions or one 6 second position is required for a spiral sequence to count.

So they can get creative with other positions in ways that enhance the choreography, without technical reward even if there's more difficulty. And to include spread eagles, etc., in between the spirals if they prefer? We still probably won't see many attempts at difficult moves or positions that would have been features in the current rules but were too hard to get credit for and could also have a negative effect on quality, like back layouts or slide spirals. But there's always the possibility for GOE or PCS reward for fitting the music or for creativity, and holding a different, probably easier, position for 6 or two different positions for 3 will get the sequence to count.

No more requirement that only the first three positions count -- can several short positions followed by one 6-second position fill the requirement? Who's to say which of the preceding positions were part of the sequence and which were just transitions? ;)

The men also must pick either camel or sit for their flying spin in the SP and do the other position for their change foot single position spin. IIRC, many of the men have iffy camel spins, so this should be interesting to see :yikes:.

Yeah. I'm wondering whether some of the senior guys will choose flying upright spins if they don't have good camels. Or if they don't have good sits, for a much smaller percentage.

Juniors are still at the mercy of the group rotations between flying camel/change sit and flying sit/change camel each year.

04-30-2010, 11:17 PM
206. Canada FS: new dance language changes.

207, 208, and 209. Denmark/Finland/Sweden: All Skaters entered for ISU Championships must have participated in at least one International junior or senior competition on the ISU list during the 24 months preceding the Championships.

210. Tech Comms: technical specialist rules.

211. ISU: Eliminate small medals in ISU Championships.

212. Ice Dance TC: new dance language changes.

213. Austria FS: In view of the fact that the number of entries to the Olympic Games is limited, the qualification should be based on the names of the competitors, who actually placed within the top 24 in singles and 16 in pairs and 19 in dance at the previous World Championships and not the country. The right to participate in the Olympics should be privilege of the athletes and not their Member Associations.

214. SPS and Ice Dance TC: technical specialist rules.

215. ISU: Judges Panels for the Olympics: 9 judges per segment. From Communication 1535.

216. Austria FS: The panels of judges for the Olympic Games should consist of judges whose Members actually have a
Skater qualified for the Olympic Games.

217. Canada FS: 13 judges for the Olympics, plus one alternate. Remove secret-random scores draw.

218. Russia FS: Another Olympics judges draw proposal.

219. USA FS: 12 judges for the Olympics, plus one alternate.

220. SPS and Ice Dance TC: Olympics judges must have judged at least twice at ISU Championships or Olympics Qualifying Competition. Experienced judges for Olympics.

221. USA FS: Allow all Olympics judges' scores to count after a trim of high and low score.

222. and 223. Ice Dance TC: new dance language changes.

224. Tech Comms: Referee AND the judges panel decide on costume, prop, and music violations (majority rule, referee double weighted). Want to avoid decisions taken by one person whenever possible.

ok this is getting boring. :yawn: I am going to skip past the boring judges stuff.

258. ISU: Improved assessment of judges/technical panel. (It's really long, but if you care about it you can read it ;))

Technical Rules for Single and Pairs Skating (more fun :shuffle: stuff :cheer2:)

266. SPS TC: New Rule 510 - Required Elements.
Half-loop when used in combinations/sequences is considered as a listed jump with the Value of a Loop.
Reason: to increase the variety of difficult three-jump-combinations. :)

267. SPS TC: A difficult change of position counts as a difficult spin variation. Also, to delete the requirements to the sit position that will be fulfilled automatically with the upper part of the skating leg parallel to the ice or even directed “upwards”; not to count as a new position simple upright spins even with more than 3 revolutions; also clarifications.

Short Program

268: SPS TC: Allow solo 3A or 2A in Senior Ladies SP to fulfill the axel entry requirement.
Reduce number of elements in SP.
One step sequence in the Senior/Jr SP for men.
Spiral sequence not a required element for senior/Jr ladies SP.

269: SPS TC: Men can do 2 quads in SP. However, they can't repeat a the same quad jump twice in the Men's SP (can't do 2 4T). The second jump must be a different type of quad jump.
Can't repeat 3A in the senior ladies SP or mens SP.

Any type of flying spin is permitted with landing position different than in the Spin in one position.

Senior Men - spin with only one change of foot: The Competitor is free to must choose either the camel position or the sit position to be executed, but this position must be different from the landing position of the Flying spin.

Step sequences may include any unlisted jumps.

Though a spiral sequence is no longer an element of the Ladies Short Program, the execution of Spirals will be rewarded in “Transitions”.

Free Skating.
270. SPS TC: For all: A Double Axel cannot be included more than two (2) times in total in a Single’s Free Program (as a Solo Jump or a part of Combination/Sequence).

For Senior Men the second (in the order of execution) step sequence will always be awarded a fixed Base Value and evaluated by Judges in GOE only. This sequence can have any pattern while fully utilizing the ice surface. [/B]

For Ladies: There must be at least two (2) spiral positions not less than three (3) seconds long each or only one (1) spiral position not less than six (6) seconds long. In case this requirement is not fulfilled, the spiral sequence will have no value. The Spiral Sequence will always be awarded a fixed Base Value and evaluated by Judges in GOE only.

Pairs skating

271. SPS TC: new rule 519. Pairs skating. No changes here actually. :lol:

272. SPS TC: new rule 520. Short Program, Pairs. Reduced to 7 required elements for Jr and Senior.
No more pairs spiral sequences required.

273. SPS TC: Though a spiral sequence is no longer an element of the Pairs Short Program, the execution of Spirals will be rewarded in “Transitions”.

274. SPS TC: Pairs Free Skate. For Seniors the death spiral of Free Skating must be of a different type than the death spiral of the Short Program. No more than 1 spiral sequence.
The jump combination may consist of two (2) or three (3) jumps.
There must be at least two (2) spiral positions of each partner three (3) seconds long each. In case this requirement is not fulfilled, the spiral sequence will have no value.
The Spiral Sequence will always be awarded a fixed Base Value and evaluated by Judges in GOE only.

275. SPS TC: 1.1 factor for jump combinations. :biggrinbo

276. SPS TC: Illegal elements called Level 1 (if they meet the requirements) or no level and the illegal element deduction will apply. This is less severe on skaters.

277. SPS TC: housekeeping.

278. ISU: Rule 548. Clarify the procedure in case of withdrawal and/or disqualification in between segments. From Communication 1596.

279. ISU: ISU Championship Draws.

Qualifying for the free skate:

Euros and 4CCs:
Singles: top 18
Pairs: top 12

Worlds and Jr. Worlds:
Singles: top 20
Pairs: top 16

Reason: Necessary amendments for Draws in line with proposal for Rule 378 and to reduce the number of Competitors to be qualified for the final Free Skating. Such reduction of competitors, qualified for the final Free Skating will offer to the public and Media an event of appropriate length and quality.

280. ISU: Add qualifying rounds to listed judging procedures for ISU Championships. Add language specifying 9 judges on panel.

04-30-2010, 11:27 PM
207, 208, and 209. Denmark/Finland/Sweden: All Skaters entered for ISU Championships must have participated in at least one International junior or senior competition on the ISU list during the 24 months preceding the Championships.

I understand the motivation behind this, but I foresee problems, especially for Junior Worlds.

Sometimes a 13-year-old (usually in ladies' singles or the girl in a pair or dance team) in the first year of junior eligibility not get assigned to that year's JGP because they weren't on the radar in their country from the previous season, or does get assigned but can't compete because of illness, etc., but then impresses at that country's nationals and is an obvious choice for Junior Worlds.

A skater can have a breakout nationals in a country with deep fields at older ages also.

It would also be a hardship for skaters from the southern hemisphere who would otherwise be making their international debuts at Four Continents. If that's even a possibility, they'd have to make another long trip, probably to a Senior B event in Europe, the previous autumn to be eligible to enter 4Cs?

And what about new pair and dance teams, especially those involving one partner switching countries and sitting out for a year?

04-30-2010, 11:49 PM
So a second step sequence for men no longer will be asigned a level but a point value. I expect lots of negative threes and positive threes for some people. Like ice dance.

04-30-2010, 11:50 PM
The Bad :mad:

Further Cuts to ISU Championships

I can understand the point limits required if you want to compete at ISU Championships. It's only fair enough to demand a certain standard for those competitions.

The huge reduction in the number of skaters allowed to be entered, together with the re-introduction of Qualification Rounds is completely unacceptable, however.

First of all, it's discriminatory because some skaters will have to do it and others won't. Those who will are going to be at a disadvantage because of having been required to peak physically before the event begins.

The fact the (mostly poor) federations are going to have to pay extra for this is going to end up in less skaters from those countries being able to perform.

Most importantly the fact that a lot of skaters are not even going to see the short program is going to be a serious set back for the development of skating in many countries. :(

Screw you ISU. :mad:

14 to compete at Junior Worlds

What is the point of that change exactly? :rolleyes:

Male Pairs/Ice Dance Junior Partners can't be older than 18

It's going to cause massive problems. It's difficult enough trying to team up two people together under the current rules.

Not being able to perform in Juniors after performing twice in Seniors

I like the idea behind that but it seems too strict.

It should be loosened somehow. As to allow a skater one more Junior season perhaps?

All Skaters entered for ISU Championships must have participated in at least one International junior or senior competition on the ISU list during the 24 months preceding the Championships.

Very bad for the reasons gkelly already mentioned.

Getting rid of small medals

Isn't this what the idiotic break between the 1st and 2nd FS groups was for? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Why isn't the break gone too as well then?

The Good

Jump Combinations factored by 1.1

Great change. Definitely makes sense!

(Obviously some other minor improvements too ;))

Can he do steps into his quads?
I wonder if Joubert may go for the quad sal in the short too.

A lot of skaters do not steps into their SP jump with impunity.

Joubert is not even trying it in the FS recently, so no. :P

So a second step sequence for men no longer will be asigned a level but a point value. I expect lots of negative threes and positive threes for some people. Like ice dance.

What the hell are you talking about?

How many -3 GOE scores do you see in ID (hint: none, unless you fall)?

05-01-2010, 12:00 AM
The Bad :mad:

What the hell are you talking about?

How many -3 GOE scores do you see in ID (hint: none, unless you fall)?

WHOA! Harsh! No reason for it. Just look at a lot of negative 2's at the last Olympics where there were no falls. Relax.