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MOIJTO
03-30-2010, 06:18 PM
I googled and found this pie chart that over 50% of the U.S.A.'s federal budget goes to the military, while a (small?) portion of the human resources section (at 30%) goes to education. (The human resources section also covers health, housing, labour department, etc.)

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Interesting, but I hasten to add that 30% funding is from the government for schools and the rest comes from local cities through property taxes. That would be interesting where the pie would be cut with that added funding! Bet its over 50%

rfisher
03-30-2010, 06:26 PM
I'm sure the dumping of all that fat was staged and maybe the scenes where they are teaching the kids how to use utensils, but what else exactly was staged? The part where they are eating pizza and nuggets and pink milk? The part where most of them choose the processed food over the real food? The part where they don't know what the different vegetables are? (If that was staged, then give those first graders some Emmys.)

Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.


Kids have no idea what's processed food or not, nor do they care. :lol:

Habs
03-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.


Kids have no idea what's processed food or not, nor do they care. :lol:

They don't know and they don't care what processed food is, but that's what they eat and what they like - because that's what they're given at home and at school.

I was seriously bothered by the lack of fresh food offered in that school cafeteria and in the homes they showed.

luenatic
03-30-2010, 06:31 PM
Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.

The food that Jamie was cooking and serving? Like the chicken drumstick? What's so staged about that? I thought that's the point about this show.

Allskate
03-30-2010, 06:39 PM
Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.

So, the lunch ladies were just pretending that they ordinarily serve pizza and nuggets and "mashed potatoes?" And Jamie didn't really want to serve real chicken and salad, but the producers insisted? I find that hard to believe. If it's true, then hand Alice (the lunch lady) an Emmy now.



Kids have no idea what's processed food or not, nor do they care. :lol:

Of course most of them don't know what processed food even means and I didn't say they did, but that's not the point. As I said, most kids love processed food and will choose it over real food. Let a kid choose between milk sweetened with corn syrup and regular milk, and most of them will choose the sweetened stuff. Give them a choice between a Twinkie and an apple, and most of them will choose a Twinkie. Nuggets dunked in sweet sauce or real baked chicken? Nuggets will usually win.

Jenny
03-30-2010, 06:44 PM
Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.

Why won't you say more? Because I can't imagine that Jamie didn't pick the foods he made and served, and the regular cafeteria menu comes from the school board's guidelines.



Kids have no idea what's processed food or not, nor do they care. :lol:

Obviously. When kids are brought up with nothing but crap at home and at school, of course they don't know, and of course Jamie's efforts didn't go over well. The point was that Jamie was trying different avenues to get healthy food into those kids.

I don't get why that's ":lol:" to you.

Anita18
03-30-2010, 08:34 PM
I wonder if part of it is the way kids are raised these days. It might not be so much that they hate the vegetables it's that they are testing their parents when they refuse to eat this or that. The parents cave and give them what they want. I've heard of families that cook two or three different meals when they do cook at home because this one does like this and the other doesn't like that.

It was kind of sad in a way to watch.
Or they could work the way my family worked - if I didn't like what was served, I didn't eat.

I was a very skinny kid. :saint: (It also didn't help that I had a teeny appetite to begin with.) I was a very picky eater pre-puberty and now I'll try almost anything once. I think to get over picky eating, you've got to let the kid decide when s/he wants to try something, not force it down their throats or beg them or make it a big deal in general. I don't think normal kids are headstrong enough to actually starve themselves to injury just because they're being picky or want to be difficult.

I also wonder about the "cooking two meals because the kids are picky" thing. What's the issue about letting the kid go hungry if they're going to be difficult and not eat what you cook them? Aren't kids getting more overweight nowadays anyway?

It turned out my sister and I liked different things, and we matched perfectly. Example, thick-stalked greens like bok choy. She liked the stalks, I liked the greens, so we'd trade. :lol: When it came to chicken, she preferred white meat, and I liked dark meat.

Anita18
03-30-2010, 08:37 PM
Why won't you say more? Because I can't imagine that Jamie didn't pick the foods he made and served, and the regular cafeteria menu comes from the school board's guidelines.
Nondisclosure agreements? The principal could get in trouble if it gets out that s/he (I haven't seen the show) is talking about the show. Dunno if it's as secretive as contest reality shows though. My sister knew a contestant on The Amazing Race and he signed a multimillion-dollar nondisclosure agreement to not speak at all about the results until it aired. And he was good at it too, since it turned out he won. :rofl:

skatingfan5
03-30-2010, 08:48 PM
I'm sure the dumping of all that fat was staged and maybe the scenes where they are teaching the kids how to use utensils, but what else exactly was staged? The part where they are eating pizza and nuggets and pink milk? The part where most of them choose the processed food over the real food? The part where they don't know what the different vegetables are? (If that was staged, then give those first graders some Emmys.)


Umm.....the producer picked foods to be served in the cafeteria is all I'll say.

Kids have no idea what's processed food or not, nor do they care. :lol:If the producer did indeed picked the foods to be served in the cafeteria, I'm pretty sure that they were all likely on the "approved" FDA list. Were the bottles of chocolate and pink milk just brought in for dramatic effect and something that was not previously served to the kids?

Sure most grade school kids have no idea what's "processed food" -- but I agree with Allskate that those 5 and 6 year olds certainly deserve an Emmy for their convincing display of non-knowledge of what a tomato, potato, beet, or cauliflower was. Major acting talent there! I'll give them a pass on the eggplant, because at their age, I wouldn't have recognized one if I had ever encountered one. :shuffle:

Habs
03-30-2010, 09:04 PM
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but I agree with Allskate that those 5 and 6 year olds certainly deserve an Emmy for their convincing display of non-knowledge of what a tomato, potato, beet, or cauliflower was. Major acting talent there! I'll give them a pass on the eggplant, because at their age, I wouldn't have recognized one if I had ever encountered one. :shuffle:

My husband was disgusted by the kids' lack of knowledge of vegetables until Jamie held up the eggplant. Hubby turned to me with a blank look on his face and shrugged. :rofl:

HisWeirness
03-30-2010, 09:12 PM
My husband was disgusted by the kids' lack of knowledge of vegetables until Jamie held up the eggplant. Hubby turned to me with a blank look on his face and shrugged. :rofl:
This reminds me of when I go to the supermarket and have to identify certain veggies like beets or cabbage to the checkout clerk. They like to ring me up for lettuce whenever I buy cabbage.

skatingfan5
03-30-2010, 09:19 PM
This reminds me of when I go to the supermarket and have to identify certain veggies like beets or cabbage to the checkout clerk. They like to ring me up for lettuce whenever I buy cabbage.And your post reminded me that it's not just 1st grade kids who don't know their fresh produce. I was :eek: when I had to tell a checkout clerk what a nectarine was (or maybe it was a plum -- whichever it was, I couldn't believe they didn't know).

rfisher
03-30-2010, 09:39 PM
All I'm saying is the food served in the cafeteria is the same in the entire state, but there was a lot of tweaking and editing done. I watched some of the episodes being filmed. That's not to take away anything about the premise of many people's unhealthy lifestyles. Just keep in mind this is a reality show, however, the final product on TV was carefully crafted to produce a desired result.

Allskate
03-30-2010, 09:46 PM
All I'm saying is the food served in the cafeteria is the same in the entire state, but there was a lot of tweaking and editing done. I watched some of the episodes being filmed. That's not to take away anything about the premise of many people's unhealthy lifestyles. Just keep in mind this is a reality show, however, the final product on TV was carefully crafted to produce a desired result.

Of course there's editing. But you said that it was the producer who chose the food. You were suggesting that the food the school served wasn't what they ordinarily served and that Jamie did not select the food that he wanted to serve. I continue to find that difficult to believe. I'm sure they picked the scenes that were the most eye-opening and I'm sure the school doesn't ordinarily show huge mounds of fat consumed by the kids, but that doesn't mean that the kids aren't eating that kind of food in school or aren't that ignorant about real food, which is really the impression you left with your comment.

Jenny
03-30-2010, 10:03 PM
All I'm saying is the food served in the cafeteria is the same in the entire state, but there was a lot of tweaking and editing done. I watched some of the episodes being filmed. That's not to take away anything about the premise of many people's unhealthy lifestyles. Just keep in mind this is a reality show, however, the final product on TV was carefully crafted to produce a desired result.

You have implied that there is something dishonest in what is being presented in the tv show. I don't think that taking what is likely hundreds of hours of footage and choosing segments and arranging them to tell a story is necessarily dishonest.

It's impossible to show everything that happened, so they've chosen what a) tells the story and b) makes for interesting tv. What's the problem with that?