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haribobo
06-14-2010, 11:44 PM
Given the USFS selection pool list- here are the skaters who are likely to be battling it out for the senior B spots (I took out the likely JGP skaters and the GP skaters who already have 2 spots- though that is no guarantee they won't get a senior B either)
LADIES

Becky Bereswill
Melissa Bulanhagui
Samantha Cesario- likely JGP though
Kristiene Gong
Ellie Kawamura
Angela Maxwell
Kimmie Meissner

Among the above, I think Bulanhagui and Maxwell should receive events outright unless they are really off form or something. I have no idea what is going on with Meissner. Gong and Kawamura will have to show some major improvements since Nationals but that is definitely possible. Bereswill will likely receive one also unless she decides to focus on pairs training rather than travel for an assignment. It will also be interesting to see what happens with Amanda Dobbs and Dobbs/Jacobsen in terms of Senior B and GP spots.

Already with 1 GP event, could get either another GP or a B or both...
Amanda Dobbs
Alexe Gilles
Kristine Musademba

MEN

Stephen Carriere- 1 GP already
Jonathan Cassar
Richard Dornbush
Grant Hochstein
Alexander Johnson
Austin Kanallakan
Armin Mahbanoozadeh
Parker Pennington
Dennis Phan
Douglas Razzano
Tommy Steenberg
Jason Wong

Trying to break down this field would give me a headache. Other than Hochstein, this should all be left up to summer comps IMO.

PAIRS

Molly Aaron & Daniyel Cohen
Marissa Castelli & Simon Shnapir- 1 GP
Amanda Dobbs & Joseph Jacobsen
Chloe Katz & Joseph Lynch
Britney Simpson & Nathan Miller- 1 GP
Erika Smith & Nathan Bartholomay
Tiffany Vise & Don Baldwin
Caitlin Yankowskas & John Coughlin- 1 GP
Felicia Zhang & Taylor Toth

I guess a lot will be left up to Indy here...

DANCE

Isabella Cannuscio & Ian Lorello- 1 GP
Lynn Kriengkrairut & Logan Giulietti-Schmitt
Rachel Tibbetts & Collin Brubaker- 1 GP

Shib sibs may take a B event too. Not sure who of those junior teams may have aged out already, if any...Lake Placid will sort this out too.....

pinky166
06-15-2010, 01:31 AM
Thanks for the breakdown, Haribobo!

grandma
06-18-2010, 12:15 PM
U.S. initial Grand Prix assignments were published today and are as follows:

LADIES (16 slots/9 different skaters assigned):
2 for Flatt (NHK/SA), Nagasu (CHN/FRA), Wagner (NHK/RUS), Czisny (CAN/FRA), Zhang (NHK/SA), and Agnes Zawadzki (CAN/RUS);
1 for Amanda Dobbs (CHN), Gilles (CAN), and Kristine Musademba (CHN);
1 TBA at Skate America.

MEN (12 slots/6 different skaters assigned):
2 for Abbott (NHK/RUS), Weir (CAN/FRA), Rippon (SA/CAN), Mroz (CHN/FRA), Ross Miner (NHK/CHN); 1 for Carriere (SA);
1 TBA at Skate America.

PAIRS (11 slots/7 different teams assigned):
2 for Denney/Barrett (NHK/SA), Evora/Ladwig (CHN/RUS), and McLaughlin/Brubaker (CAN/SA);
1 for Inoue/Baldwin (NHK), Yankowskas/Coughlin (CHN), Castelli/Shnapir (CAN), and Britney Simpson/Nathan Miller (RUS);
1 TBA at Skate America.

DANCE (13 slots/7 different teams assigned):
2 for Davis/White (NHK/SA), Samuelson/Bates (NHK/FRA), Chock/Zuerlein (CAN/FRA), Hubbell/Hubbell (CHN/RUS), Maia Shibutani/Alex Shibutani (NHK/SA);
1 for Isabella Cannuscio/Ian Lorello (CHN) and Rachel Tibbetts/Collin Brubaker (CAN);
1 TBA at Skate America.

ETA: Bolded names above are the skaters making their Senior GP debut.

I am a bit confused, Britney Simpson just turned 14 in May , how come she can compete on the Senior circuit ? I thought she had to be 15 by the 01.07.2010. Or does this only comply for ISU Championships and not GP ?:confused:

Sylvia
06-18-2010, 12:41 PM
I am a bit confused, Britney Simpson just turned 14 in May , how come she can compete on the Senior circuit ? I thought she had to be 15 by the 01.07.2010. Or does this only comply for ISU Championships and not GP ?:confused:
14 is still the minimum age for the Senior Grand Prix (and Senior B) events; 15 is for ISU Championships. The age limit proposals didn't pass at the Congress (15 for Senior GP was one of the proposals).

mgobluegirl
06-20-2010, 05:11 AM
It's unfortunate that skaters can really ruin their JGP chances with one bad skate at nationals. Gong finished 4th at her JGP last season, and if she'd been assigned to one of the early ones, it's likely she'd have gotten a second assignment (4th is usually the cutoff). Then she went out and did an absolutely craptacular long program at nationals. If she'd stayed where she was after short (12th) chances are good she'd end up with an early JGP assignment.

Stephanie
06-20-2010, 12:52 PM
I think Kristiene Gong has a shot at a JGP. She is on the ISP list and last year USFS gave Karen Zhou one of the initial JGP assignments after placing 19th(!) at senior nationals. As Sylvia mentioned, the international committee appears to give more weight/make concessions to girls who manage to qualify to senior nationals.

Kristiene is a very good skater with the harder triples (does she have the loop?) and especially now that downgrades won't be penalized as harshly as before, could do quite well. Having Frank Carroll as a coach could help her politically, too.

jlai
06-20-2010, 02:32 PM
Having Frank Carroll as a coach could help her politically, too.

That didn't help Lanie Diggs or Bebe...

Sylvia
06-20-2010, 02:48 PM
These 5 posts are from page 3-4 of the "U.S. Senior Ladies" thread and are relevant to the ongoing JGP ladies speculation discussion :):

Four of [Angela] Wang's 6 triple jumps were URed in her Nationals [Junior] FS, as well as one of her 2A's, so I'm not sure she "wuzrobbed." She's a great all-around skater, but if she had a weakness/area to work on, it would definitely be the height of her jumps. Hopefully we'll see an improvement in that aspect of her skating this season because I think she deserves to be on the JGP.

Still. She's much better usually than a lot of the girls who placed ahead of her at nationals, so I'm just hoping the 7th place won't hurt her chances of getting JGP assignments. Plus 3lo is her best jump!

I'd imagine Siraj, Davis, Baga, Jiang, and F. Zhang will all be in line before Angela Wang...though its possible Davis and Zhang could forego assignments to focus on pairs or something. Although with Gao, Sam Cesario and maybe Gong and Kawamura along with a novice or two also in the mix....things will be tricky. At least the ladies aren't confined to just a few spots like the men are this year!

I really hope Kawamura and Gong don't get an assignment over Wang. Wang's younger, and has all the triples; which Kawamura does not. They all have big problems with under-rotation, but Wang outscored both as junior, while Gong and Kawamura competed as seniors.

Agreed. I'd add Davis too, I know she won junior bronze at nationals but she only has 3 triples (loop, toe, sal) and she often doubles them. Her footwork is really good though. I'm just hoping Wang with her UR issues doesn't turn into the next Caroline Zhang....they even look a bit alike, similar builds and arm movements, and costumes. Angela has some speed though.
ETA: Stephanie asks if Kristiene Gong has a triple loop. I don't believe she's attempted this jump in competition in the past 2 years, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see if she tries one in a summer competition.

mgobluegirl mentioned in her post above that "(4th is usually the cutoff)" for a 2nd JGP, but last season, the JGP skaters were informed ahead of time that there was no specific "cutoff" placement for a 2nd assignment.

Sylvia
06-26-2010, 03:51 PM
Moving over these JGP selection comments from the Broadmoor Open thread in Kiss and Cry:

Zhou's selection last year was inexplicable. Finishing only 19th at Senior nationals with a fall in her short, five jumps downgraded in her long, and a score lower than the third place junior skater shouldn't have merited her an initial assignment. What's worse, she got an initial assignment while eventual JGP finalists Gao and Baga did not.

Hopefully, USFS does a better job selecting skaters this year. I suggest they choose Cesario as the only senior for an initial assignment and give the other initial slots to the deserving junior skaters. Gong and Kawamura could still have a shot at a JGP assignment coming from the alternate list, pending summer monitoring.
Don't forget Christina Gao as the other senior! ;)

ETA: I agree that it's hard, both then and now, to justify Zhou's initial JGP assignment last year, and believe she should have been monitored in the summer first. I do think that initial JGP selection should continue to be based on most recent Nationals results, but that the remaining assignments definitely should take the skaters' summer competition performances/results (especially significant improvements since Nationals!) into consideration.

oleada
06-26-2010, 03:54 PM
Sylvia, do you know if Felicia Zhang & Ashley Cain are looking to compete as single skaters in the JGP? I imagine Zhang/Toth are on the list for a Skate America spot in pairs; and Cain/Reagan on the list for the JGP, right?

I'd give initial assignments to Gao, Baga, Siraj, Davis and Jiang; then the shortlist for the next assignments would be Zhang, Wang, Gold, Cain & Kulgeyko. I don't know if Jiang & Davis have enough tech to place high enough for a second assignment (for Jiang, I think it's something that will come with time).

Sylvia
06-26-2010, 04:17 PM
You forgot Cesario on your initial JGP ladies list, oleada! ;)

Sylvia, do you know if Felicia Zhang & Ashley Cain are looking to compete as single skaters in the JGP? I imagine Zhang/Toth are on the list for a Skate America spot in pairs; and Cain/Reagan on the list for the JGP, right?
I can't imagine why they wouldn't want a shot at competing in singles on the JGP since they've earned the consideration based on their Nationals results. Both Zhang and Cain are definitely up for pairs assignments (at least a Senior B for Zhang/Toth if they don't get a SGP assignment).

oleada
06-26-2010, 04:18 PM
Yeah, I meant to include her :duh:

jlai
06-26-2010, 04:26 PM
Jiang was struggling with her jumps at Bluebonnet Open. I hope she gets her loop, toe and sal consistent by August.

ETA: is she doing another summer comp? Personally I would monitor if I were USFSA

Sylvia
06-26-2010, 04:51 PM
Jiang is scheduled to compete at Liberty next, as is Angela Wang.

oleada
06-26-2010, 04:58 PM
Jiang was struggling with her jumps at Bluebonnet Open. I hope she gets her loop, toe and sal consistent by August.

ETA: is she doing another summer comp? Personally I would monitor if I were USFSA

I remember thinking during Nationals that she leaned a lot going into her triples. She has nice presentation and musicality, but I understand if the USFS decides to monitor. Her triples aren't consistent at all.

I'm more impressed with Gracie Gold than I remembered. During Nationals, I thought she was kind of a jumping bean, pretty dry presentation and not good non-jump elements; but I rewatched a video of her and her spins, spirals and basics are all better than I remembered (still think she's pretty dry presentation wise, but she's 14, so she's got tons of time to work on that). If she does well over the summer, I can see her being an alternate for the JGP despite her 4th place as a Novice.