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barbk
03-30-2010, 12:39 AM
Kimmie is ranked 33 in the world. No season best this year

But she's still eligible to be invited, right?

HisWeirness
03-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Kimmie is only going to have around 267 world standings points when the 07/08 season results are dropped, so she will not have the ranking or SB scores to be "invited" to any of the GPs, she could only be assigned to SA by the USFSA (host pick).

SamuraiK
03-30-2010, 03:03 AM
But she's still eligible to be invited, right?

No. Only the Top 75 from the Season best list are eligible to be invited. Since Kimmie didnt compete this year and her world standing will drop dramatically next season once the 2007-2008 points are removed (probably below 80th) her only chance of getting a GP event is Skate America. However, I'm not sure if that stupid rule about previosly seeded skaters that allowd S/Z and Sasha to get 2 events will be allowed this season, if it continues she might get a chance but that rule was Probably only an olympic year thing.

That being said, if Kimmie decides to give it another chance, Im positive USFS will not hesitate in inviting her over any of the 2nd tier ladies, just like they did with Emily Hughes as soon as the 3rd spot for SA became available.

jlai
03-30-2010, 03:19 AM
As for the other disciplines for SGP:

Men: Abbott (2), Rippon (2), Mroz (2), Miner (2), Hochstein (2),Mahbanoozadeh? (1), Dornbush? (1 - poss. Skate America?), Carriere? (1)

...again, a lot of ^ depends on whether veterans like Lysacek/Weir/Bradley come back next season. I think Messing, Farris and Brown will be guaranteed JGP spots.

I think Armin will likely get 2 (though it's not guaranteed). He got 2 this year and did okay. Grant didn't medal at jw or jgpf so what he and Messing get depends on Lysacek/Weir/Bradley.

I don't think Agnes Z will do gps, and I think Gilles, like Armin, did well enough in gps to likely get at least one if not 2 gps.

SamuraiK
03-30-2010, 03:42 AM
I think Armin will likely get 2 (though it's not guaranteed). He got 2 this year and did okay. Grant didn't medal at jw or jgpf so what he and Messing get depends on Lysacek/Weir/Bradley.



Grant Hochstein has better chances of getting a 2nd event (and maybe even first) before Armin gets it IMO. Armin got 2 this year thanks to his very good run at junior the previous year but this season he did poorly at both GP events he got (9th and 11th which means he didnt even gain any WS points from them) and completely bombed at Junior Worlds. OTOH Grant is the next ranked american guy after all the big names, made the JGP Final and finish a very good 5th place at Jr. Worlds.

5Ali3
03-30-2010, 01:07 PM
Do skaters need to make official announcements of retirement? It also seemed like Brooke & Ben retired since they did not accept the invite to 4CC but I don't recall seeing anything about it.

Anyone who retires or breaks up before the last Team Envelope check arrives is not eligible for the final check. I suspect that we'll start hearing about more retirements and break ups that have already occurred once those checks are cashed. ;)

Sylvia
03-30-2010, 04:09 PM
Any guesses?

I'm curious as to what Carriere or Bebe will get next season.

I'm guessing Maxwell and Musademba won't be getting any.
Copied over from the Flatt's plans thread in GSD:

I miss Angela! What a little firecracker! For such a tiny girl she has some really nice, big jumps :D. Don't know if she'll get GP assignments next season though considering she didn't compete at nationals. But she did go to the JGPF so maybe that will be enough to get assignments.
Skaters that withdraw from Nationals due to injury (Maxwell, Musademba, Katz/Lynch) or don't finish Nationals (Carriere) usually have to monitor well in the summer in order to be considered for any international assignments. Neither of the above skaters are automatically eligible to be invited to a Grand Prix besides Skate America because they are not in the top 24 ISU World Standings or Season Best scores lists. Ditto for Bebe Liang, although she did finish a respectable 7th at Nationals (qualifying her for the C-1 funding envelope), and so I assume she at least will be considered for a Senior B if she plans to continue competing next season.

BTW, here's the link to a short clip from Angela Maxwell's exhibition number this past Saturday in NYC (includes her trademark backflip) that was posted today in the "One Step Closer Benefit" thread in GSD:

Angela Maxwell - Michael Jackson routine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFEqGYfqVMg)

SamuraiK
03-30-2010, 04:28 PM
Skaters that withdraw from Nationals due to injury (Maxwell, Musademba, Katz/Lynch) or don't finish Nationals (Carriere) usually have to monitor well in the summer in order to be considered for any international assignments. Neither of the above skaters are automatically eligible to be invited to a Grand Prix besides Skate America because they are not in the top 24 ISU World Standings or Season Best scores lists.

That's not true for Maxwell, Musademba and Carriere who ARE eligible to get invitations from the other federation's events. Only the top 24 Season Best are guaranteed of an event, but anyone in the Top 75 (like the three above mentioned) is eligible to get an invitation after all the guaranteed and host slots are filled. In ladies, the fields is crowded as usual so I dont expect Angela or Musademba to get any, but in Men's with all the retirements is gonna be a weak US field so Carriere (37th in SB list) will probably get at least one event.

Sylvia
03-30-2010, 04:34 PM
Sorry I wasn't clearer -- I mean all but Katz/Lynch are in the top 75 SB scores list so, yes, technically they are eligible to be invited to a GP but it's hard to predict if being American will hurt their chances because of all the Americans (and non-Americans) ahead of them on the GP invite list.

haribobo
03-30-2010, 11:32 PM
That being said, if Kimmie decides to give it another chance, Im positive USFS will not hesitate in inviting her over any of the 2nd tier ladies, just like they did with Emily Hughes as soon as the 3rd spot for SA became available.

I'm not so sure....with Emily, there really were hardly any other options with any kind of standing for USFS to choose- next most likely might have been Amanda Dobbs who I think finished something like 8th as a Junior at Nats the previous season (obviously she hadn't yet skated at 2010 Nationals at the time). Joelle Forte might have been considered had she stayed with the US.

With Kimmie, she hasn't competed at Nationals since 2008 whereas Musademba and Maxwell have been doing fairly well since then, making the JGPF several times and showing lots of promise. At this point, I'd like to see whichever of those 3 who does best over the summer get Skate America...hopefully there will be room for 2 of them or maybe even all 3 but who knows. With Zhang, Czisny, Nagasu, Flatt, Wagner, Gao, Dobbs, Gilles, possibly Zawadzki, Cohen, and Liang to consider (did I forget anyone?)......its gonna be tough! Man I hope to see a new face or two though. I hope a few of our journeywomen take the season off so there's room for everyone!

SamuraiK
03-31-2010, 02:42 AM
I'm not so sure....with Emily, there really were hardly any other options with any kind of standing for USFS to choose- next most likely might have been Amanda Dobbs who I think finished something like 8th as a Junior at Nats the previous season (obviously she hadn't yet skated at 2010 Nationals at the time). Joelle Forte might have been considered had she stayed with the US.

With Kimmie, she hasn't competed at Nationals since 2008 whereas Musademba and Maxwell have been doing fairly well since then, making the JGPF several times and showing lots of promise. At this point, I'd like to see whichever of those 3 who does best over the summer get Skate America...hopefully there will be room for 2 of them or maybe even all 3 but who knows. With Zhang, Czisny, Nagasu, Flatt, Wagner, Gao, Dobbs, Gilles, possibly Zawadzki, Cohen, and Liang to consider (did I forget anyone?)......its gonna be tough! Man I hope to see a new face or two though. I hope a few of our journeywomen take the season off so there's room for everyone!

You are forgetting USFS's ultimate goal for Skate America is always to sell those tickets and make the event as much a success as possible. That's the way the event has been handled for years. The experience for the 2nd tier skaters is always a plus but if they have to chose between "never in Seniors before" Maxwell or Musademba and "Former National and World Champion" Kimmie Meissner, Im pretty sure who will be their choice.

haribobo
03-31-2010, 11:40 PM
You are forgetting USFS's ultimate goal for Skate America is always to sell those tickets and make the event as much a success as possible.

You got a good point, but I really think the sooner Angela Maxwell is delivered to the public, the better off for everyone involved (provided she's in good shape, of course). She may not sell more tickets than Kimmie right now, but for sure she has more potential and is more exciting than basically all other ladies. When you have a skater as fantastic as Angela, you don't keep her hiding. I'm counting on USFS not to pull a :duh: move. I also feel more strongly about Kristine Musademba and Melissa Bulanhagui at this point than Kimmie, so I hope to see good summer and fall results for these ladies and then assignments to whomever does best.

Seriously, when is the last time Kimmie did a 3-3 or even competed at all for that matter? The only way I want to see her on the GP this year is if she proves herself in a major way over the summer, or a bunch of ladies sit out next season and Kimmie is one of the only options left....otherwise, Regionals and Sectionals for her please. Super nice girl, but fair is fair. Come on now.

jlai
04-01-2010, 12:00 AM
To be honest, I don't have a good feeling about the chances of Kimmie, Angela or Musademba right now. Girls in the US don't make comebacks the way the Japanese girls do. I wish, for the sake of USFS female skater development, it had been different.

For every Joelle Forte there're 50 Christina Gaos. :(

chipso1
04-01-2010, 01:01 AM
For every Joelle Forte there're 50 Christina Gaos. :(

What is that supposed to mean? Gao has great technique...her 3/3 and 3flip are among the best in the world. With Orser in her corner, I think she'll be just fine.

haribobo
04-01-2010, 01:54 AM
I think jlai just meant that for every US 18+ lady trying to make a rise/ comeback, there are 5 or 10 younger girls coming up the ranks who are just as good or better that will make that "comeback girl" not able to reach the top again. Which is often true, but then then as an eternal optomist, I always hold out hope for my favorites to make their mark before they get cast aside. Sure, the momentum is with Gao and Zawadzki at this time....but then a few years ago the momentum was with Kimmie, Katy Taylor, Bebe Liang, and more recently Deedee Leng and Ellie Kawamura. Things change years to years in this sport, and a skater who survives puberty in tact is often the most serious contendor of all.....