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carriecmu0503
03-29-2010, 10:21 PM
[QUOTE=IceKween;2719144]
"And frankly, I'm surprised that her packaging is so awful. Are there no gays in COSpgs? Someone just needs to get a hold of her and say "Darling this does NOT work. Let me help you"


While I agree with much of Ice Kween's quote, I have to say I found this part offensive. I don't understand why the question of whether there are any gays in CO had to be asked, as if all gay people are fashion consultants, or that no straight people could help her. This is NOT about me being PC, but just about trying to not buy into/ spread stereotypes like that. The post would have had the same meaning without that sentence.

I hope this post does not offend anybody, because that is not my intent.

RockTheTassel
03-29-2010, 10:26 PM
I can't believe yet another discussion of homosexuality and stereotypes is starting in a non-Johnny related thread. Who would have thought shiny, good girl Rachael Flatt would trigger this? :lol:

pinky166
03-29-2010, 10:26 PM
I think it'll be more like, if she has a decent GP season AND skates decent programs at Nationals, she's likely to get a 2nd national championship.

Good past results (Olympics, Worlds short, decent GP if it happens) will earn her benefit of doubt and perhaps generous PCS, she tends to earn good GOEs on spins and spirals on their own merit even if the jumps aren't working, but that can only hold her up so far if she doesn't skate well or jump successfully and others do.

If Christina Gao grows up next season and looks like more of a senior lady, I think SHE will be national champion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7liNIlGSGts
The commentators clearly LOVE her, as they should :D. They don't talk about most of the other skaters like that.

sk9tingfan
03-29-2010, 10:30 PM
I know everyon gets sick of hearing about her consistency, but it is a huge competitive advantage. She's also only seventeen, so she does still have some time to grow as a skater. I think it's too early to write her off.

I have to give her kudos for her consistency, however, I tend to doubt that her body lines, stretch etc. will improve at this point in time. No ballet and probably no Pilates or similar exercise for 17 years is not easily overcome. In addition, based on some comments that have been made here, she probably would be resistant to trying some of those options.

When I compare her with the likes of Mirai, who is so stretched and elegant, there is no comparison. I also wonder if her PCS will improve in the future, given how the judges marked her at the Olympics and Worlds. Again, comparing her with Mirai, it appears that the international judges prefer Mirai on the whole, no matter how consistent Rachel is. j

Given her emphasis on education, I think that shunning the likes of Stanford, which could very well set her up for life professionally, I just can't see it. I guess that time will tell.

pinky166
03-29-2010, 10:37 PM
I wish Rachael well.

I am seriously hoping that next season's top US sr ladies (Sr G-P Circuit or otherwise) will consist of, in no particular order:

Mirai Nagasu
Ashley Wagner
Christine Gao
Amanda Dobbs (if she raises the number of triples)
Agnes Zawadski (absolutely would be a plus...SENIORS, please)
Angela Maxwell (hopefully healthy again)
Alexe Gilles (showed signs of promise and delight last season)

Rachael would do great in school, unless she want to continue the also-ran path...safe and dependable, if not outstanding.
Zhang? She needs to be put out of her misery...find another hobby and be happy!
Hughes? Back to school, please.
Czissny...good grief.


Ring in the new - Ring out the old!

I miss Angela! What a little firecracker! For such a tiny girl she has some really nice, big jumps :D. Don't know if she'll get GP assignments next season though considering she didn't compete at nationals. But she did go to the JGPF so maybe that will be enough to get assignments.

RockTheTassel
03-29-2010, 10:39 PM
When I compare her with the likes of Mirai, who is so stretched and elegant, there is no comparison. I also wonder if her PCS will improve in the future, given how the judges marked her at the Olympics and Worlds. Again, comparing her with Mirai, it appears that the international judges prefer Mirai on the whole, no matter how consistent Rachel is.

Oh, she's certainly not better than Mirai. I was making the case for her being the second best US lady, which I believe her to be at this point. Though I see her being surpassed, possibly as soon as next season if Ashley steps it up or one of the younger girls wows everyone. But Rachael could still be in it if that doesn't happen.

shawnie21
03-29-2010, 11:03 PM
Also, the fact that Flatt proudly proclaims that she has never taken a ballet class really makes me shudder. Yeah, Rachael, it's obvious.

Sorry to nitpick, but that's not true. She's said in several articles that she does take ballet? When did she say that she didn't?

The Fly On The Wall
03-30-2010, 01:20 AM
And frankly, I'm surprised that her packaging is so awful. Are there no gays in COSpgs? Someone just needs to get a hold of her and say "Darling this does NOT work. I will help you."

:rofl:

Coco
03-30-2010, 02:23 AM
To get to the next level in skating, the improvements Rachael needs to make are tough but not impossible. I don't see them happening over the summer, though. She will not surpass 5th place internationally, and indeed, risks dropping from 5th permanantly, without addressing her on ice issues.

Since her skating would be improved by spending some time focusing on carriage and extension, and since she's graduating from high school now, why not take a year off NOW and focus on her weak spots without the pressures of competition?

I just don't see the point in skating next season, and potentially taking '11-'12 off. We saw how hard it is to return to competition after a break. Why try to do that one year closer to sochi?

This is the natural year for her to be a freshman. Go! Enjoy freshman year, workout, take dance classes and pilates, and skate with an ice dance coach.

Honestly, is she does have a bad back as has been reported, why hasn't she been taking pilates as pt?

mishieru07
03-30-2010, 03:09 PM
Sorry to nitpick, but that's not true. She's said in several articles that she does take ballet? When did she say that she didn't?

I thought so too. I remember reading that she does ballet, which surprised me because her posture, extension and port de bras are terrible imo. I think she needs to step up her ballet classes; maybe add modern or jazz as well. She has to work on the details like carriage and polish, otherwise she's going to pale in comparison to the other ladies should they ever jump as well as her. Her consistency is no longer a given advantage.

If Flatt stays in, I think repackaging is seriously in order. She'll need to maximize her strengths by avoiding lyrical/ balletic programmes. Team Flatt can look at how Team Yu Na does it. And avoid what Team Mao did this season - choose unflattering costumes and music.

kwanfan1818
03-30-2010, 03:21 PM
After these Olympics and Worlds, the writing's on the wall if she chooses to continue.
It might be, but Flatt was top ten in the FS, and Nagasu wasn't.

kwanfan1818
03-30-2010, 03:26 PM
The only time Angela was truly hard-done by judging was 2001 Nationals and that was just a case of Nationals judges not trusting Angela after years of mediocre results vs. the very dependable rising star Sarah. Sarah didn't exactly bomb that year anyway- so it was a close call for them (not for me cause Angela was so diviiiiine)
I'd also say 1997 (?) when she was with Oppegard and an excellent program to "Cinderella", when she lost to Nicole Bobek with her "Giselle".

Jot the Dot Dot
03-30-2010, 04:01 PM
I agree. Her LP costume last year was quite flattering and the color was perfect, whereas her costumes this year are not the most flattering in fit or color. Rachael should wear more blue, it goes well with her skin and hair.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/84711283.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5488803470A30F75065 86554770CDFABA0E091D69C4B240C2A1E30A760B0D811297
http://www.figureskatersonline.com/rachaelflatt/photos/personal/2personal003.jpg

This should clear up one issue: (tried to link, didn't work. Just google for "Rachael Flatt Ballet, and get the answer).

MacMadame
03-31-2010, 05:48 AM
That is definitely better! She needs the wider shoulder straps, like in the photos. She should never ever go strapless or wear skinny straps.
Or yank her hair straight back.

olympic
03-31-2010, 02:15 PM
RE Gao and Zawadzki, does anyone know if they will be Seniors next season?