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Wyliefan
03-29-2010, 05:18 PM
And every time someone goes on about how great Ashley Wagner is, and IF ONLY she could go to Worlds and compete there she would be rewarded, I remember that she DID go to Worlds in 2008 with Kimmie and Bebe and finished somewhere around 15th.

At her first Worlds. A lot of skaters finish low in the standings at their first Worlds, and improve after that. It's not a "one strike and you're out" system. :)

OliviaPug
03-29-2010, 05:56 PM
I think the right two ladies represented the U.S. at the Olympics and Worlds this year.

As for Rachael's future, I think she should continue to skate -- rather than wonder how she would have done or regret not having tried. She'll get all her answers regarding skating and school soon enough by following that path.

O-

pinky166
03-29-2010, 06:21 PM
Add to that the round shoulders, short neck, and round face, and she automatically almost looks "chubby" - NOT saying that she IS. All of these features just combine as sort of an optical illusion. But when you look at her waist, she is quite thin.

I think Rachael seems to be in superb cardio shape. She never seems to be huffing and puffing near the end of her programs. I wonder, though, if she does any weight training. Some bicep/tricep and upper back definition could go a long way to dispel the misconceptions that she's not fit.

I also think a make-over in the costume and hair department could help out a lot. Before this season, I thought her styling was much too old for her. The costumes this year were better, but still not great for her body type.

The other problem for me is that Rachael seems to skate from her head and not so much from her heart. She looks like she is doing what she's been told to do in her programs, but I don't see much interpretation from her. Yes, she's solid and doesn't make me nervous when she skates, but she's also not very exciting and doesn't elicit emotion from those of us watching. She needs to figure out how to bring some of that excitement into her skating.

I agree. Her LP costume last year was quite flattering and the color was perfect, whereas her costumes this year are not the most flattering in fit or color. Rachael should wear more blue, it goes well with her skin and hair.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/84711283.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5488803470A30F75065 86554770CDFABA0E091D69C4B240C2A1E30A760B0D811297
http://www.figureskatersonline.com/rachaelflatt/photos/personal/2personal003.jpg

FSWer
03-29-2010, 06:29 PM
Glad to hear she wants to skate competitively. Wylie was attending Harvard and skating competitively at the same time. So may be Rachael can handle school and skating simultaneously? I hope she goes to Stanford. It's the best school out of the three mentioned here. She must be very bright.

If were talking about Rachael Flatt. Is this an old thread? She already does compete. Though I sure hope at least that she never retires.

query5
03-29-2010, 06:30 PM
good luck to rachel whichever way she decides.
she can do both-she does both skating and college, she will have to work hard at both. it is her decision. lets us congratulate her on her opportunity to do both and wish her well in both endeavors.
in skating she needs to speed up of bit.

barbk
03-29-2010, 06:56 PM
I would guess that with Rachel's academic and athletic achievements that she may well have some other college acceptances released on April 1st, and she'll need to make some choices.

Lacey
03-29-2010, 07:25 PM
I think Rachael is in a great position: she can do whatever she wants. I have a feeling that she will choose whichever school works with her skating. I hope that she can see beyond that just in case she retires from skating before graduation. She needs to pick one of the schools obviously that picks her and then one that has good ice time and coaching available. She should try it for as long as she wants and then walk away with her head held high for all of the very good years of skating that she has had.

But I very strongly feel this: that the powers (judges) that be in the USFS like to anoint their champions. Thus, Alissa has had her chance, Rachael hers, even Mirai made it to the top as a baby of 14, I believe. So, I think that they will be looking to vault Ashley to the top this year or perhaps re-award Mirai. And they will either go with newer baby skaters after that or cling on to either Ashley or Mirai for Sochi 2014. The only one not mentioned here is Emily, but for her I unfortunately think she missed her mark and that, for all of the good years of skating she gave to her country, she was never in the right position at the right time to become its champion. And I also don't see another placeholder in here for Rachael--she made it this year, good for her, but I don't think it's going to happen again. It's just the system.

euterpe
03-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Sorry, I don't see any drive on USFS's part to anoint Wagner the next US champion. She had just as good a chance as Mirai or Rachael at 2010 Nationals, and she blew it, just as she did in 2009.

If Rachael stays in, she has just as good a shot (or better) to defend her US championship than Ashley has to win her first. To my way of thinking, Ashley is reminding me of Angela Nikodinov, who was always in the mix but never quite broke out.

Skittl1321
03-29-2010, 07:40 PM
So, I think that they will be looking to vault Ashley to the top this year or perhaps re-award Mirai.

If Mirai has a decent GP season, I expect her to get a 2nd national championship. Her Olympic placement, and World's short will give USFS good reason to give it to her.

(Though I prefer to think skaters earn these things...)

Bev Johnston
03-29-2010, 07:42 PM
I agree. Her LP costume last year was quite flattering and the color was perfect, whereas her costumes this year are not the most flattering in fit or color. Rachael should wear more blue, it goes well with her skin and hair.
http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/84711283.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA5488803470A30F75065 86554770CDFABA0E091D69C4B240C2A1E30A760B0D811297
http://www.figureskatersonline.com/rachaelflatt/photos/personal/2personal003.jpg

That is definitely better! She needs the wider shoulder straps, like in the photos. She should never ever go strapless or wear skinny straps.

FSWer
03-29-2010, 07:45 PM
I sure wish her luck in school at whatever she studies. But I sure am glad too that she wants to keep skating,and I hope she does,and like I said...never retires.

gkelly
03-29-2010, 07:58 PM
If Mirai has a decent GP season, I expect her to get a 2nd national championship. Her Olympic placement, and World's short will give USFS good reason to give it to her.

(Though I prefer to think skaters earn these things...)

I think it'll be more like, if she has a decent GP season AND skates decent programs at Nationals, she's likely to get a 2nd national championship.

Good past results (Olympics, Worlds short, decent GP if it happens) will earn her benefit of doubt and perhaps generous PCS, she tends to earn good GOEs on spins and spirals on their own merit even if the jumps aren't working, but that can only hold her up so far if she doesn't skate well or jump successfully and others do.

IceKween
03-29-2010, 09:08 PM
She has been poorly packaged. Wasn't it last year that she had that awful boring program that she ended up ditching for Worlds? Someone is not doing their job. Maybe Tom Z is a great jump coach, but he just can't get her to the next level. It might not even be his fault, since she considers herself a student first and foremost and then an athlete. Also, the fact that Flatt proudly proclaims that she has never taken a ballet class really makes me shudder. Yeah, Rachael, it's obvious. No surprise there... Not impressed.
I'd like to see her develop as a skater, but I think school will always take precedence. So, that's great, she'll have a 4.0 and go to med school. But I think she should just eschew all things skating if she does that. It would be a half hearted attempt at best, sorta like Sarah Hughes coming back for SOI playing Fannie Brice on Ice in a not good way.
And frankly, I'm surprised that her packaging is so awful. Are there no gays in COSpgs? Someone just needs to get a hold of her and say "Darling this does NOT work. I will help you." Who was her choreographer? I'd have spent an entire session just forcing her to skate with her head up, shoulders down just to show she owns a neck. Something is off there, and I'm not sure who is to blame.

Debbie S
03-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Who was her choreographer? Lori Nichol.

Frau Muller
03-29-2010, 09:29 PM
I wish Rachael well.

I am seriously hoping that next season's top US sr ladies (Sr G-P Circuit or otherwise) will consist of, in no particular order:

Mirai Nagasu
Ashley Wagner
Christine Gao
Amanda Dobbs (if she raises the number of triples)
Agnes Zawadski (absolutely would be a plus...SENIORS, please)
Angela Maxwell (hopefully healthy again)
Alexe Gilles (showed signs of promise and delight last season)

Rachael would do great in school, unless she want to continue the also-ran path...safe and dependable, if not outstanding.
Zhang? She needs to be put out of her misery...find another hobby and be happy!
Hughes? Back to school, please.
Czissny...good grief.


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