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Polymer Bob
04-23-2010, 03:53 PM
If I were to guess her place in the current U.S pecking order I would say it is something like this:

Nagasu
Flatt
Wagner
Zawadzki
Gao
Czisny
Zhang
Baga
Dobbs
Gilles

Good chance Flat and Czisny wont return though.

CURRENT pecking order, maybe you're right. I very much doubt that this pecking order will stand up through the season.

pinky166
04-23-2010, 04:31 PM
Baga isn't even at the senior level nationally yet, she'll do another season on the JGP and therefore I don't think she should be included in the pecking order with all the senior ladies. Plus she needs to work out her issues in the LP. She is a rising star with a lot of potential FOR THE FUTURE, but right now, she is a junior lady, and was beaten not only by Zawadzki but also Siraj and Davis at nationals. Siraj is amazing and one to watch, she has a lot of talent.

query5
04-23-2010, 07:47 PM
i am not even going to get into your u.s. pecking order of things.

the gp assignments are usually done by top 12 worlds which get 12, the top 24 high scores and top 24 world rankings.
the u.s. pecking might still be there for nationals but for international skating assignments --it is different--i hope.
for saying pecking order --well it is My opinon (digusting) . world rankings (isu) are taken in consideration more. by than who knows because of all the back stage-(back stabbing-?) politics involved.

RD
04-24-2010, 03:42 AM
If I were to guess her place in the current U.S pecking order I would say it is something like this:

Nagasu
Flatt
Wagner
Zawadzki
Gao
Czisny
Zhang
Baga
Dobbs
Gilles

Good chance Flat and Czisny wont return though.

Czisny I think will continue- she's mentioned resuming training, etc. that doesn't give me the impression that she's quitting.

Flatt I'm not sure about though. She seems to want to head over to college so I see her pulling a Hughes and slowly fading from the skating elite to do college full-time.

pinky166
04-24-2010, 03:53 AM
Czisny I think will continue- she's mentioned resuming training, etc. that doesn't give me the impression that she's quitting.

Flatt I'm not sure about though. She seems to want to head over to college so I see her pulling a Hughes and slowly fading from the skating elite to do college full-time.

Is she going to resume training coachless? Also where she joined SOI as a cast member is she allowed to continue competing - now that she has "gone pro"? This is why I wonder. At any rate, no offense to Alissa, she's a lovely skater, but if USFSA has to make the choice between giving Alissa 2 GP events and giving say, Christina Gao or Agnes Zawazki 2 GP events, I seriously hope they give it to Gao or Zawadzki, they need to be looking out for the future and I just don't think Czisny is the future of US figure skating just given her age, inconsistency, and issues. She has earned at least one event fair and square and is deserving of 2 if that's what USFSA decides to give her, I just hope it's not at the expense of someone else with more promise.

mysticchic
04-24-2010, 08:30 PM
Flatt and Czisny will be back (I know Alissa is coming back for sure(

pinky166
04-24-2010, 10:57 PM
Flatt and Czisny will be back (I know Alissa is coming back for sure(

Do you know who her coach is? I wonder if she will ask Yuka Sato to be her coach so she doesn't have to move. I assume she will retire fairly soon, she's probably a bit too optimistic if she thinks she can make the Olympic team in Sochi at age 26.

RD
04-25-2010, 01:30 AM
Do you know who her coach is? I wonder if she will ask Yuka Sato to be her coach so she doesn't have to move. I assume she will retire fairly soon, she's probably a bit too optimistic if she thinks she can make the Olympic team in Sochi at age 26.

...but is it a bit too pessimistic to think she won't make the team in Sochi at age 26? :P

pinky166
04-25-2010, 03:00 AM
...but is it a bit too pessimistic to think she won't make the team in Sochi at age 26? :P

I guess there is a first time for everything, and Alissa does seem to do better when the pressure is off her so...who knows. For the meantime, I think she, Jeremy, Carolina, and Tomas should get together and talk about their issues with performing under pressure and figure out a strategy that works - sound good? :) Once they do that maybe then I'll be more optimistic - I actually used to be a big Alissa fan back in 05-06 when she had a breakout season, but since then, she's crushed my hopes too many times.

I had a dream last night though that Christina Gao scored 64 for her SP and 140 for her FS at some competition and beat Mao! It was weird, but she did 3lz-3lo, 3f-3t, 2a-3t-2lo, 3a and then a bunch of other triples, it was a bit crazy. Also she had Joannie muscles.

Maybe this is what the future brings? :lol:

RD
04-25-2010, 03:09 AM
As it turned out, I doubt she (Czisny) would have made the (Vancouver) team even if she was perfect. Flatt and Nagasu really threw down the gauntlet that night. the only other skater there that was capable of beating them in her current shape was Ashley Wagner, and she blew that opportunity by falling in the SP.

Polymer Bob
04-25-2010, 03:55 AM
The sad thing is, . if Rachael and Caroline were sent to Worlds last year and got back our third spot, we probably would have lost it again this year. :(

jlai
04-25-2010, 04:11 AM
The reality is that the US team just isn't as strong as it used to be, and it's going to take time to get it back to the pre-2007 level. Hopefully this will prompt USFS to rethink how the girls are trained in the US

pinky166
04-25-2010, 05:04 AM
The reality is that the US team just isn't as strong as it used to be, and it's going to take time to get it back to the pre-2007 level. Hopefully this will prompt USFS to rethink how the girls are trained in the US

You know you have a point, especially because one of the prominent up-and-comers (Gao) trains in Canada...

iarispiralllyof
04-25-2010, 05:27 AM
she was so promising.. =/ what happened

pinky166
04-25-2010, 02:57 PM
she was so promising.. =/ what happened

Puberty coupled with bad technique, and maybe an attitude problem as well. It really is too bad, I remember I loved watching her as a tiny 13 year old, throwing down those triples like they were doubles, so cute and elegant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0J2hkcYxWo&feature=related

I just think blue is awesome! :lol:

At least Mirai is still really promising, and Caroline may have a comeback.