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ks777
03-21-2010, 05:13 PM
Caroline needs to make a big change this off season or she is done.

centerstage01
03-21-2010, 10:23 PM
IMO, Caroline needs to take this entire year off and rework her technique. Because if she wants any kind of chance at Sochi, this really is the only year she can do this. Work on the jumps, the speed, the footwork...pretty much everything but spirals and spins. She's got those down.

I really like Caroline, but if she doesn't find someone to lay down the law and if she doesn't follow it to the letter, she may as well forget about ever being on a podium again in a major competition.

Polymer Bob
03-21-2010, 11:44 PM
IMO, Caroline needs to take this entire year off and rework her technique.

There really isn't any "OFF". She can take her year to fix her problems, if it takes that long, and still compete. So she finishes 46th at the Grand Prix, so what? She doesn't lose anything by competing and finishing low. Most people on this board have written her off anyway, and she is a non-entity as far as the news media are concerned.

I don't have the details right in front of me, but somebody over at the MK Forum posted that there was a nice ad featuring Caroline in People Magazine. I will try to find it.

........ EDIT ..........

OK, I found it.

http://mkforum.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23848

orbitz
03-22-2010, 03:27 AM
There really isn't any "OFF". She can take her year to fix her problems, if it takes that long, and still compete. So she finishes 46th at the Grand Prix, so what? She doesn't lose anything by competing and finishing low. Most people on this board have written her off anyway, and she is a non-entity as far as the news media are concerned.


If Zhang seriously works on rehauling her techniques on the lutz and flip then it's most likely she wouldn't even be able to successfully do doubles for quite a while. The only competitions she would be able to do during this interim are local competitions and non qualifying like Liberty Bells. Would Zhang be willing to take that risk?

Polymer Bob
03-22-2010, 04:55 PM
If Zhang seriously works on rehauling her techniques on the lutz and flip then it's most likely she wouldn't even be able to successfully do doubles for quite a while. The only competitions she would be able to do during this interim are local competitions and non qualifying like Liberty Bells. Would Zhang be willing to take that risk?

There isn't much risk. Most of her jumps are pretty good, give or take a little speed. She only mule-kicks her flip and lutz.

oleada
03-22-2010, 06:41 PM
Seriously? Her 2A is practically from a standstill and her 3Lo is awful - have you seen her corkscrew entry into it? Her only "good" jumps are the 3T and the 3S, which isn't even very consistent for her.

briancoogaert
03-22-2010, 07:15 PM
Seriously? Her 2A is practically from a standstill and her 3Lo is awful - have you seen her corkscrew entry into it? Her only "good" jumps are the 3T and the 3S, which isn't even very consistent for her.
Lol, you're right, but the Salchow is often under-rotated ! :P

judgejudy27
03-22-2010, 11:23 PM
There isn't much risk. Most of her jumps are pretty good, give or take a little speed. She only mule-kicks her flip and lutz.

The judges dont seem to feel that way. Even her cleanly landed jumps were almost all getting -GOE this season, not just the flip and lutz. I would like to see her restart her jumping and basic skating technique from the scratch as tough as that is. Most of the rest of her skating is excellent, wonderful spins and spirals, pretty good footwork, beautiful positions, a nice style, elegant and graceful movements, very nice musicality (though this year she didnt give much to some of her performances). However it is becoming increasingly clear she is never going to make it ignoring the most basic fundamental things of the sport which is the ability to skate and do basic things like stride, glide, hold edges, and the ability to jump.

Braulio
03-23-2010, 06:06 AM
This thread again???

Polymer Bob
03-24-2010, 05:25 AM
This thread again???

You know what they say ....... "All roads lead to Rome."


The judges don't seem to feel that way. Even her cleanly landed jumps were almost all getting -GOE this season, not just the flip and lutz. I would like to see her restart her jumping and basic skating technique from the scratch as tough as that is.

True, but they DID feel that way last season. They put her lousy technique in front of Rachael's clean technique twice in 2 months. It just seems that even if she does rework her jumps, she won't do well unless she can defeat whatever problem has hampered her this season.

IceAlisa
03-24-2010, 06:05 AM
I don't have the details right in front of me, but somebody over at the MK Forum posted that there was a nice ad featuring Caroline in People Magazine. I will try to find it.

........ EDIT ..........

OK, I found it.

http://mkforum.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23848

That's a gorgeous split falling leaf (http://i47.tinypic.com/28l43no.jpg). Fantastic air position, lovely arms, stretch and everything. Such talent. Le sigh.

RD
03-24-2010, 02:26 PM
Nice shot.

Burmese
03-29-2010, 01:38 AM
Coach Li is listed as having started coaching Zhang from 2005. I don't recall offhand if she was her coach at 2005 U.S. Nationals when she won the Novice pewter medal. I know Zhang had several coaches before Miss Li and, from what I've heard from my southern California sources, Zhang's flaws (lack of speed and power in her stroking, small jumps with questionable technique) were often overlooked under the 6.0 system due to her many strengths (flexibility, spins, lines, ability to compete well, not fall much, etc.). Since Zhang usually had excellent results in competition from a young age, she most likely had little reason or motivation to improve/change anything/push out of her comfort zone. It is my assumption that had U.S. judges had been tougher on her at the lower levels (Novice and below), she might have been forced to fix the flaws that are so evident today.

One problem that occurs very early is when other young skaters begin landing jumps with flawed technique. Very dominant parents demand results from the coach,and some give in and achieve the landings with flawed technique. It is very hard to break this later. For example,why are there so many flutzes? It is more difficult in the earlier levels to take off on an outside edge. For the same reason,some coaches teach the toe axel,forever dooming the jump. It is shear economics. Nobody wants to lose their most promising skater. When the judges choose to overlook this there is no motivation for the skater or coach to correct the mistakes.

Polymer Bob
03-29-2010, 03:09 AM
Well, the Olympic season is over now. Caroline can take her time, fix her problems and come back strong when she's ready.

Next season is going to be very interesting.

wonderlen
03-29-2010, 05:07 PM
There isn't much risk. Most of her jumps are pretty good, give or take a little speed. She only mule-kicks her flip and lutz.

All of her jumps are bad bad and bad. She mule-kicks her flip and flutz big time. Her loop always give me a chill and i'm afraid she is going to snap her tiny hip. Same with salcow. Her 2A is the worst; even junior ladies and lower ranked skater can do it better than her. How she managed to get the revolution on that almost standstill jump just amaze me. She is even slower than Rachael Flatt. She has a lot to work on. If she wants to continue to skate till Sochi and want to get on a W or O podium. How long it going to take her to correct her flaws?? Who knows!!