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Polymer Bob
05-09-2010, 03:29 AM
I don't think she'll ever be a power jumper, just judging from her build, most of the very powerful lady jumpers have broader shoulders and a more athletic physique while Caroline has more of a pretty pretty princess bodytype.

If you compare videos of Caroline from this past season and the 08-09 season, it seems her shoulders have gotten broader. She seems more athletic and muscular than before. The only way to increase her jump height is by pumping iron in the gym. I have read reports that she is doing just that.

key65man
05-09-2010, 04:34 AM
It's not even her bodytype, it's natural qualities. Yes, she could jump higher with better technique, but not much higher, her jumps would still be low, lower than other top skaters jumps.

I am not sure what you meant by natural qualities. Obviously, Caroline is not capable of muscling a big jump. So, it is a matter of how she handles speed to generate enough energy and therefore a good flight time.

Well, I certainly don't believe she can handle speed so well as to jump like Yuna. But, she was able to manage reasonably good speed when she was younger. Even now, she shows decent speed doing Arabesque spiral. With better technique, she should be able to create a flight time long enough to handle triples.

But, the problem is that she should have started adjusting, if not overhauling, the jump mechanics way sooner. It is very difficult right now to adjust/overhaul her jumps so comprehensively.

ChibiChibi
05-09-2010, 05:52 AM
I wouldn't underestimate her talent. She's been reworking on her jump techniques, and she's doing very well in such a short period of time. Of course it's not consistent yet, but she's already landing the 3F without mule kick. Her 3L-2A Seq looks nice, and her 2A-3T is very powerful. Give her more time, and I believe she'll be back in the game again.

chipso1
05-09-2010, 06:11 AM
I wouldn't underestimate her talent. She's been reworking on her jump techniques, and she's doing very well in such a short period of time. Of course it's not consistent yet, but she's already landing the 3F without mule kick. Her 3L-2A Seq looks nice, and her 2A-3T is very powerful. Give her more time, and I believe she'll be back in the game again.

The 3L-2A sequence I can kind of believe, but where did you hear/see that she was working on a 2A-3T combo? IIRC, she's never put a combination on her 2A because she literally has no speed on the landing. How is she mustering up the momentum to tack a 3T on? :confused:

pinky166
05-09-2010, 03:57 PM
If you compare videos of Caroline from this past season and the 08-09 season, it seems her shoulders have gotten broader. She seems more athletic and muscular than before. The only way to increase her jump height is by pumping iron in the gym. I have read reports that she is doing just that.

Yes but she still doesn't have the athletic build or broad shoulders like Mirai, Ashley, Mao, Yuna who are all big jumpers.

And 2a-3t :eek:?! I really want to see that. And the 3f with no mule kick. If this is actually true it will be quite a treat to see her skate come fall.

RockTheTassel
05-09-2010, 04:10 PM
I wouldn't underestimate her talent. She's been reworking on her jump techniques, and she's doing very well in such a short period of time. Of course it's not consistent yet, but she's already landing the 3F without mule kick. Her 3L-2A Seq looks nice, and her 2A-3T is very powerful. Give her more time, and I believe she'll be back in the game again.

I'd love to believe you, but that does seems like a stretch. Also, have any other skaters been able to fix bad technique and come back? I think someone in this thread mentioned Joannie Rochette, but I'm not sure what her jumps used to look like. Surely they were nowhere as bad as Caroline's.



And 2a-3t :eek:?! I really want to see that. And the 3f with no mule kick. If this is actually true it will be quite a treat to see her skate come fall.

Yeah, I'd love to see it too. Even if she just used next year as a building year and didn't place very high, it would be great to see a little improvement. She's only seventeen. If she used the next couple years to make changing her jump technique her number one priority, she might get back in the mix. I don't have high hopes, but I suppose you never know.

pinky166
05-09-2010, 06:37 PM
ChibiChibi do you skate with Caroline? Have you seen in person Caroline do these combos (2a-3t, 3lo-2a, 3f with no kick) you mentioned? I REALLY wish a video of her practicing would come out!

briancoogaert
05-09-2010, 07:03 PM
I wouldn't underestimate her talent. She's been reworking on her jump techniques, and she's doing very well in such a short period of time. Of course it's not consistent yet, but she's already landing the 3F without mule kick. Her 3L-2A Seq looks nice, and her 2A-3T is very powerful. Give her more time, and I believe she'll be back in the game again.
I believe it when I see it ! With so bad basics, I don't think she is able to fix her problems in such a short period of time. :o

RD
05-09-2010, 09:20 PM
Same here. Show me a practice video...or better yet, show me during a competition.

Polymer Bob
05-09-2010, 10:18 PM
Same here. Show me a practice video...or better yet, show me during a competition.

I think Caroline's next competition will be the Golden West in Culver City.

pinky166
05-09-2010, 10:19 PM
I think Caroline's next competition will be the Golden West in Culver City.

That's in August right? Maybe she'll compete at Liberty in July? I'm really curious to see the "new" Caroline skate!

oleada
05-09-2010, 10:31 PM
Yeah, even if what's reported is true (a big if), it's one thing to do it in practice and another to do it in a program, in choreography and where muscle memory kicks in.

pinky166
05-10-2010, 03:01 AM
Yeah, even if what's reported is true (a big if), it's one thing to do it in practice and another to do it in a program, in choreography and where muscle memory kicks in.

I'm more interested in her speed than whether or not she fixed the mule kick. I mean, the mule kick is distracting and will be hard to not let creep in in competitions, speed can be acquired and maintained. If I were Caroline, speed would be my #1 priority, not only will it help her jumps but it will also boost her PCS.

Marco
05-10-2010, 03:43 AM
If Zhang could fix her mulekick and axel issues, improve on lutz and loop technique, do interesting choreography, and skate about 3 times faster, I can be on board.

ChibiChibi
05-10-2010, 04:12 AM
I don't skate with her on regular basis, but I do once in a while. I don't know what others think, but I personally think she has already made a great amount of progress since the Nationals. To be honest with you, I had never thought she could improve her jump techniques, but she proved me and most people wrong.

As I said in me previous post, her 3F without the mule kick is not consistent at all yet. It's obvious that doing it during practice, in her programs during practice, and doing it in competitions are totally different matter. I just think we all should give her time to re-work on her jumps. She will probably not do well next season, but if she keeps working on her jumps, speed, and power, she'll eventually come back to the top level. She's only 16 (has she turned 17 yet?). She still has time, so let's wait and see...