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SkateElectric
03-03-2010, 12:30 AM
I have to wonder how much they hurt themselves by skipping the GPF for the tooth issue. To me, it seemed like they were afraid of losing a head to head competition with their biggest rivals. As for Linichuk, what do we know her to have said/done that proves that she was pushing for one team over the other? I find the scenario believable, but what evidence is there for these statements? As for D&W, I found their speed and their lifts to be superior, but their technical skills otherwise on the same level as B&A; but in a competition as close as this one, that is more than enough to receive the higher scores. I don't think B&A "got shafted"...I thought their scores and placement were very fair.

OlieRow
03-03-2010, 12:47 AM
However, everytime someone brings up Tanith's supposed subpar skating skills I only end up thinking that Meryl isn't all that different in that department than Tanith was.

D/W were the fresh, exciting #2 team rising up the ranks while B/A were the top team contending for major titles and along with that came getting criticized all the time. Fans break down the top 3-4 teams in contention for gold/the podium but the #5-6-7 teams aren't under the same microscope. It's like B/A were held to a different standard by being the best US team. While I know D/W have many fans here (and I quite like them myself) I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the amount of criticism about their skating increase significantly now that they're not only the top US team but Olympic silver medalists.



..I have been critical of many of Igor's teams for that very reason. His choreography is fabulous, but he seems to forget about technique at times...

I agree with your post but just have to say a huge thank you to Paul MacIntosh...

cruisin
03-03-2010, 01:00 AM
I agree with your post but just have to say a huge thank you to Paul MacIntosh...

Yes, they had good technique before they went to Igor.

Aussie Willy
03-03-2010, 07:10 AM
Tanith has apologised to fans for not competing at worlds.

TanithJLB Sorry to those hoping to see us @Worlds but it felt like the right time to wrap up this season.Kim&Brent will be amazing in our place!

Throughout their eligible career I found them very up and down with their programs. But I think they are great role models and have a lot of respect for them as people. Hope with whatever in life they choose they have a great future and achieve everything they want.

Gene
03-03-2010, 09:04 AM
.......Perhaps if they had had the support all along, going back to their old coach and including their federation, much would have been changed. .......

I don't believe that B&A were punished for leaving Speilband (sp). This is something that occurs all the time in ice dance. The lead couple sees that the coach is spending more time with the second couple, favoring them, and they leave for another coach. At some point, Speilband and probably in company with the U.S. federation, began discussing the overall situation going into the upcoming Olympics and which American couple would have the best chance competing for the gold medal. The two European couples were obviously not at their best. If they had been, it might have been more of a dog fight. It was a North American Olympics. All these were considerations. There would be really only two couples competing for the top two spots: V&M and the lead American couple, presumably B&A. V&M are young and fresh. Why not counter that with our own new couple: D&W. Now you have two young sparkling couples, instead of one competing with an older couple that has been around a while. Which couple gives the U.S. the best chance to win the Olympic gold medal in ice dance: D&W or B&A? That was the question posed. It was decided the former--D&W. And B&A, in slow degrees, felt that support slipping away, from their coach and from their federation. Leaving Speilband played no part in it. Their fate was sealed regardless, whether they stayed with him or not. That's the knife in the back.

B&A had accrued lots of prestige over time: reigning Olympic silver medalists; reigning world silver medalists. They were on the top rung of the ladder. The lead Russian couple had injury problems. They were poised to reap the benefits. That is how ice dance has always been. They appreciate the couple who has been around a while and paid their dues, by working their way up the ladder. The Europeans respect that attribute. In my opinion, B&A were in position to win the first Olympic gold medal in ice dancing for the U.S. They were not setback at the previous Olympics and they weren't setback at worlds. They were setback by their own federation. And kids, that opportunity, lost, won't present itself again for a long, long time. And that's my opinion.

LaLola
03-03-2010, 01:29 PM
Latest tweet from Tanith:

TanithJLB Great dinner celebrating the Olympics and saying goodbye to Ox&Max tonight. Things are changing so quickly! 50/50; Exciting/Scary!

Wow, DomShab have already left. That was quick! But maybe this increases our chances to see Tanith and Ben again in competitions next season - now that they are the number one team for their coaches!

Indra486
03-03-2010, 02:47 PM
I don't believe that B&A were punished for leaving Speilband (sp). This is something that occurs all the time in ice dance. The lead couple sees that the coach is spending more time with the second couple, favoring them, and they leave for another coach. At some point, Speilband and probably in company with the U.S. federation, began discussing the overall situation going into the upcoming Olympics and which American couple would have the best chance competing for the gold medal. The two European couples were obviously not at their best. If they had been, it might have been more of a dog fight. It was a North American Olympics. All these were considerations. There would be really only two couples competing for the top two spots: V&M and the lead American couple, presumably B&A. V&M are young and fresh. Why not counter that with our own new couple: D&W. Now you have two young sparkling couples, instead of one competing with an older couple that has been around a while. Which couple gives the U.S. the best chance to win the Olympic gold medal in ice dance: D&W or B&A? That was the question posed. It was decided the former--D&W. And B&A, in slow degrees, felt that support slipping away, from their coach and from their federation. Leaving Speilband played no part in it. Their fate was sealed regardless, whether they stayed with him or not. That's the knife in the back.

B&A had accrued lots of prestige over time: reigning Olympic silver medalists; reigning world silver medalists. They were on the top rung of the ladder. The lead Russian couple had injury problems. They were poised to reap the benefits. That is how ice dance has always been. They appreciate the couple who has been around a while and paid their dues, by working their way up the ladder. The Europeans respect that attribute. In my opinion, B&A were in position to win the first Olympic gold medal in ice dancing for the U.S. They were not setback at the previous Olympics and they weren't setback at worlds. They were setback by their own federation. And kids, that opportunity, lost, won't present itself again for a long, long time. And that's my opinion.

ITA. I felt the US federation made the wrong decision by not supporting Belgosto this season. :( D&W are great but I didn't think the judges were going to give them the gold. In the end, I truly felt it was a missed opportunity for the US to get gold in ice dance and it may not be as close again. I expect the Russians or Europeans will dominate ice dance again.

LaLola
03-03-2010, 07:00 PM
I'm really not sure what the future will bring for ice-dance! Either V/M and D/W continue dominating the competition, than theoretically other teams have to go the same path and become more athletic etc. Or Europeans and Russians will dominate the scene again and than the style would go back to more dancing and art, rather than spectacular lifts. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

cruisin
03-03-2010, 08:24 PM
Gene, I'm not going to re-quote your post for room's sake. But, you say that you don't feel that B/A were punished for leaving Igor. Yet, the top two medals went to two of Igor's teams. And you say that they were set back by their own federation. A federation that has been in bed with Igor for the past decade. If you doubt Igor's pull with the US federation just consider Jamie Silverstein and Ryan O'Meara making the O team. That was set up, big time.

Aussie Willy
03-03-2010, 09:37 PM
ITA. I felt the US federation made the wrong decision by not supporting Belgosto this season. :( D&W are great but I didn't think the judges were going to give them the gold. In the end, I truly felt it was a missed opportunity for the US to get gold in ice dance and it may not be as close again. I expect the Russians or Europeans will dominate ice dance again.

Politics had nothing to do with it. D&W were just purely better than B&A. But at the Olympics V&M were better than D&W. I truly believe the skating spoke for itself this season. With regard to the North American scene, the judges did the right thing and had the right skaters in the right places.

cruisin
03-03-2010, 09:40 PM
Politics had nothing to do with it. D&W were just purely better than B&A. But at the Olympics V&M were better than D&W. I truly believe the skating spoke for itself this season. With regard to the North American scene, the judges did the right thing and had the right skaters in the right places.

With regard to V/M & D/W, yes. With regard to D/S & B/A, I think no. D/S were sloppy and their programs were awful. I think B/A should have been 3rd.

Rafter
03-03-2010, 09:51 PM
One thing I'll say for B&A, and especially Tanith, is how classy and well-spoken she has always been and especially about her fellow competitors. She really shows wonderful sportsmanship.

SkateElectric
03-03-2010, 11:54 PM
Politics had nothing to do with it. D&W were just purely better than B&A. But at the Olympics V&M were better than D&W. I truly believe the skating spoke for itself this season. With regard to the North American scene, the judges did the right thing and had the right skaters in the right places.


ITA. I watched the whole competition not really caring who won, and that is exactly how I would have placed the top 5. V&M WERE clearly better in both the OD and FD than D&W - as much as I love the latter team they just weren't on par with V&M here.


With regard to V/M & D/W, yes. With regard to D/S & B/A, I think no. D/S were sloppy and their programs were awful. I think B/A should have been 3rd.


I don't agree. I thought Domnina's line just outclassed B&A. Speed, unison, and difficulty were all even. It was their best skate of the season and very deserving of a bronze IMO.

cruisin
03-04-2010, 12:05 AM
I don't agree. I thought Domnina's line just outclassed B&A. Speed, unison, and difficulty were all even. It was their best skate of the season and very deserving of a bronze IMO.

I disagree. His knees were bent, there was no extension, no line at all.

OlieRow
03-04-2010, 12:56 AM
It's hard for me to say as I wasn't in Vancouver, but seeing both teams live head to head in exhibition performances of their FD at both the Nationals and Worlds send-offs, B/A looked far better than D/S. Between the two events D/S definitely improved, but the gap was pretty significant. Before Nationals, they were out skated (less power/speed/ice coverage, looked labored, etc) by one of the US junior teams that qualified for the JGPF, so when I say they improved a lot, there was a ton of room to do so and still not match the level B/A were at.