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Yehudi
02-14-2010, 07:01 PM
Some details are a little confusing. She's 45, so it would seem she didn't follow the traditional "grad school-postdoc-assistant prof" career path which has you going up for tenure in your mid to late 30's. Either she had several long postdocs (possibly an indicator of trouble), or she had a previous professorship at another university and that didn't work out (also possibly indicating problems).

It's possible she could have worked in the private sector before pursuing her PhD. My former boss was 32 when she decided to get a PhD in survey research.

ssminnow
02-14-2010, 07:42 PM
There's the fact that she got her degree at Harvard and wound up in Alabama.

Academic jobs are incredibly competitive. I am currently in a PhD program at a prestigious university, and I can tell you first hand that if I would be very lucky if in 10 years I am still in academia at all.

R.I.P. the victims of this tragedy.

berthesghost
02-14-2010, 08:11 PM
The tenure process is extremely stressful, and given the fact that this woman seems to have been mentally unstable to begin with (her mom totally got her off the hook for shooting her brother), an unfavorable tenure vote pushing her over the edge is not all that surprising. ....
(That's another weird thing....I was under the impression that the tenure process at most universities starts in spring/summer, the candidate submits their tenure binder in summer or early fall, the department sends the information out and asks for external letters of recommendation to arrive at the end of summer or early fall, and the tenure vote in the department is in Fall. Why was this tenure meeting in February?)One of the articles mentions that the faculty meeting had nothing to do with tenure. She was turned down for tenure last spring. UoA has a rule that you can't stay longer than 6 years if you don't make tenure, and this was her last semester as it's her 6th year. She was out of a job come May.

It's also come out that she didn't have a permit for the gun. Interesting. It's looking more and more premeditated IMO. But we'll see.

There's some speculation that she thought (wrongly or rightly) that the school was going to claim rights to the cell invention and cheat her. It's also been hinted that she got turned down for tenure because she too difficult to work with.

I'm dying to find out more about the 80s death, especially coming on the heel of the Kerrigan death. I grew up in the area, and I don't know anyone who tried to get their kid off for killing another family member, now it's 2 in one week. Even if you convince yourself that 2 lives need not be ruined, how could you ever face that person again?

Michalle
02-14-2010, 08:55 PM
The Kerrigan thing is a somewhat more ambiguous situation though.

jeffisjeff
02-14-2010, 09:41 PM
One of the articles mentions that the faculty meeting had nothing to do with tenure. She was turned down for tenure last spring. UoA has a rule that you can't stay longer than 6 years if you don't make tenure, and this was her last semester as it's her 6th year. She was out of a job come May.

Most universities (that I know of) have the same policy. If you are denied tenure, you may not find out until the spring. When a candidate actually finds out depends on what level they are denied at, e.g., department, school, provost, trustees, and how communicative the administration is regarding the results. I've heard of cases where the candidate didn't make it out of the department in the fall, but wasn't notified of that until the spring, so this person thought their case was still making its way up the administrative ladder.

Anyway, finding out in the spring that you've been denied tenure makes it hard to find a job starting in August or September. So you are allowed to stick around for another academic year. Most people don't like to do that though, since it can be awkward. But sometimes people have no choice (the academic job market is not so great these days).

berthesghost
02-15-2010, 04:11 AM
Yikes!

Now they are saying she maybe sent bombs in past. (http://cnmnewsnetwork.com/1432/amy-bishop-alabama-university-alleged-shooter-accused-murderer-and-terrorist/)

And the story about the great scientist who killed her brother... tisk tisk

BigB08822
02-15-2010, 04:48 AM
Unbelievable! What's next, we find out she killed Kennedy?

agalisgv
02-15-2010, 07:14 AM
From the link above:
Back in 1986, Amy Bishop shot her teenaged brother. Initially, it was revealed that she was unloading her shot gun when it went off, accidentally causing his death. On the other hand, reports are surfacing that she shot him after an argument.

In 1992, Amy Bishop and her husband were questioned in connection with a bomb attempt on a Harvard professor. A professor was delivered a package containing wires and pipe bombs.

...Amy and her husband were not charged with the bomb plot. Reports indicate that “during a search of Bishop’s computer, investigators discovered a draft of a story that Bishop had written about a female scientist who had killed her brother and was hoping to find redemption in life by becoming a great scientist.” I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to plead insanity.

BigB08822
02-15-2010, 08:25 PM
From the link above: I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to plead insanity.

I would only be surprised if they DON'T plead insanity at this point. The question is, is she really insane or just smart enough to play it that way?

mrr50
02-16-2010, 01:15 PM
There is an ABC interview on googles news summary that includes quotes from her father-in-law that makes him sound as if he is trying to justify what she did. He wants to know 'who the protagonist in that room was'.

berthesghost
02-16-2010, 02:51 PM
^ can you provide a link, I can't find it?

I would say from this article (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hf_Cw1b1x1DmRrdG4hiu4P55yZTgD9DSSVGG0) that the FIL is trying to protect his son and the husband is doing Bishop no favors blabbing to the press potentially incriminating stuff. Sounds like they are trying to distance themselves from "Prof Crazy". Jerks.


Bishop's father-in-law, Jim Anderson, told The Associated Press that his son and daughter-in-law "were cleared when the evidence proved they had nothing to do with it."
He said ATF conducted the investigation. "They focused on the wrong persons and let the bad guy(s) flee," he said in an e-mail.
...
Bishop's husband told the Chronicle of Higher Education on Monday that her wife had recently borrowed a handgun and had practiced with it at an indoor gun range. He said she wouldn't tell him who she borrowed it from and was 'very cagey.'
He said she had been worried about "crazy students" since someone had followed her across campus last summer. But he said he warned his wife not to bring the gun to work.

Not that I'd do such a thing, but I'd hope MrBG would be a little supportive.

berthesghost
02-17-2010, 08:20 PM
and things get better (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0217/Amy-Bishop-case-Why-no-red-flags-were-waved-before-shooting-spree)
And police say charges were, in fact, filed against Bishop in 2002 after she punched another woman at a Massachusetts fast-food restaurant in a scuffle over a booster seat. She received probation and was ordered to take anger-management classes.nice

p.s. Another source says the fast-food place was an i-hop

Wiery
02-17-2010, 10:17 PM
Sounds like they are trying to distance themselves from "Prof Crazy". Jerks.



Bishop killed three people and wounded three more. One of the three people who were wounded is currently in neuro-intensive care with what is thought to be significant brain damage. Another person is still in surgical intensive care. I don't see why her husband and FIL need to be supportive of her at all.

She also pointed and shot the gun at one of her work collegues who was trying to push her out of the room. The only reason this person was not shot and or killed is because she ran out of bullets.

I don't know if Bishop is crazy or not, but what she did was horrendous.

Forgive me if I sound harsh and judgemental, but I live in the community where this happened; it hits very close to home. So many lives have been forever changed by this woman's disregard for human life.

berthesghost
02-17-2010, 10:54 PM
Bishop killed three people and wounded three more. One of the three people who were wounded is currently in neuro-intensive care with what is thought to be significant brain damage. Another person is still in surgical intensive care. I don't see why her husband and FIL need to be supportive of her at all.

She also pointed and shot the gun at one of her work collegues who was trying to push her out of the room. The only reason this person was not shot and or killed is because she ran out of bullets.

I don't know if Bishop is crazy or not, but what she did was horrendous.

Forgive me if I sound harsh and judgemental, but I live in the community where this happened; it hits very close to home. So many lives have been forever changed by this woman's disregard for human life.She will be judged soon enough.

What she did was awful. There are witness, and thankfully, survivors.

Her husband blabbing to the press helps no one.

Everyone needs support. Did you ever see "dead man walking"? I said support, not forgiveness. Her husband keeping his stupid mouth shut doesn't hurt the victims or their families. If he wants to help, he can talk to the police, not the press.

Any efforts to distance themselves publicly are self serving, and not a benefit to the community.

skipaway
02-17-2010, 11:10 PM
Here's the real reason she did it....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Glenn Beck's Take (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-beck-uah-shooter-killed-profs)


He's such a tool....