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tkrm7778
03-30-2010, 11:27 AM
:eek::eek: at Lipnitskaya's flexibility!! She would be eligibile in 2018 but let's see if she will be affected by puberty in the next 4 years or so.

Julia is eligible for junior international events starting from 2011/2012 season, and for senior events starting from 2013/2014 (including Olympics), her birthday is on 5th of June 1998.
Starting from May 2009 she's coached by Eteri Tutberidze, who's also coaching Polina Shelepen.
Julia is extremely flexible by nature and liked to stretch by herself since she was a child, she never took rythmic gymnastics or anything for that. And best of all she actually found all those crazy spin positions by herself, because it appeared more comfortable(!) to her, than classical ones! Recently she started to jump 3T3T. Can be seen doing that with her coach on the video already mentionned above (second 3T is one quarter underrotated though) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DI8Sc-wrYE

Daria Medvedeva is coached by Mishin, she's also one year older than Lipnitskaya. Lipnitskaya beat her in elements and SP, but then Daria skated the best LP of the whole season and won.
Daria Grinkov is not skating anymore. Liza Kulik is skating and coached in CSKA school in Moscow, last year she started to jump doubles, however she's not noticed to take part in competitions yet. She will be 9 years old on 15 june 2010.

julesgotheblues
03-30-2010, 02:56 PM
Ksenia Makarova was excellent at the Worlds, at least at the SP which I actually saw live. I am quite fond, and quite not of Alena Leonova as well -- her personality speaks against her, but she reminds me veeery slightly of a young Irina Slutskaya.

Sylvia
03-31-2010, 02:49 PM
For reference, here are the Russian Nationals Junior Ladies results from February 2010 [Senior Nationals results from Dec. 2009 in brackets]:

1 Polina AGAFONOVA SPB 166.71 2 2 [3rd in JGP GER; 10th in Sr., 130.17 13 8; 3rd at Jr. Worlds, 154.27 3 4]
2 Anna OVCHAROVA MOS 163.87 8 1 [5th in JGP Final, 144.96 4 6; 5th in Sr., 157.53 5 5; 5th at Jr. Worlds, 147.52 1 8]
3 Polina SHELEPEN MOS 159.34 10 3 [2nd in JGP Final, 159.29 1 2; did not compete Sr.; 4th at Jr. Worlds, 151.65 7 3]
4 Elizaveta TUKTAMISHEVA SPB 159.01 9 4 [3rd in Sr. 173.53 10 1]
5 Julia LIPNITSKAYA MOS 155.50 5 5 [did not compete Sr.]
6 Adelina SOTNIKOVA MOS 150.78 4 6 [4th in Sr., 172.69 3 4]
7 Sofya BIRUKOVA MOS 149.70 3 7 [2nd in JGP TUR; 6th in Sr., 154.56 1 7]
8 Maria ARTEMYEVA SPB 145.12 7 9 [4th in JGP CRO; 12th in Sr., 122.87 9 12]
9 Kristina ZASEEVA MOS 144.42 1 12 [8th in Sr., 139.52 6 9]
10 Polina KOROBEINIKOVA MOS 142.03 12 8
11 Elena RADIONOVA MOS 131.38 18 10
12 Valeria KACHALINA SPB 130.82 11 14
13 Darya MEDVEDEVA SPB 130.81 6 16
14 Ekaterina FROLOVA MOS 130.16 15 11
15 Maria STAVITSKAYA SPB 125.27 14 13
16 Roza SHEVELEVA MOB 122.92 13 15 (6th in JGP Lake Placid, 5th in JGP CRO)
17 Anna SHERSHAK MOS 110.81 16 17
18 Darya AFANASYEVA TOL 109.48 17 18
19 Maria SHAROVA SAR 94.13 19 19

As Lanna mentioned on the previous page, both Elizaveta Tuktamisheva and Adelina Sotnikova finally will be JGP age-eligible in the coming season.

oleada
03-31-2010, 03:00 PM
Small correction, Sylvia - Agafonova was 3rd at Junior Worlds, not 4th. :)

I know I mentioned Medvedeva, but I wanted to add that she has a clean 3Lz and 3F with no edge calls.

Fashionista
03-31-2010, 03:54 PM
Liza Kulik is skating and coached in CSKA school in Moscow
Doesn't she live in the US?

Willowway
03-31-2010, 04:08 PM
Liza Kulik is skating and coached in CSKA school in Moscow, last year she started to jump doubles, however she's not noticed to take part in competitions yet.

That's not quite accurate. Liza attended CSKA for a few months while she was in Moscow with Katia during the autumn of 2008 - it was temporary and she returned home at Christmas time that year. Ilia said afterward that it was a great experience for her to train for a while where lots of up-and-coming skaters train - to see the levels of everyone else - she was very inspired by the whole experience.

Liza lives and skates at home in Southern California with her parents and is coached by both Ilia and Katia. Ilia commented about a year ago (when Liza was 7) at a Krew breakfast that she had all her double jumps (but the double axel of course) and that her edge jumps were quite good in form (he smiled like a proud Papa!). Where she is today in terms of development, don't know, but she is training with her parents daily.

I saw her briefly during the rehearsals for Scott's show in Cleveland months back and she was using a little quiet time on the ice to work on the edges of her spreadeagles - she was doing nicely. Ilia said that she might do a few small, local competitions in California this season. She passed her Preliminary test (USFSA) about a year ago - I don't know if she has tested beyond that. As said above, she is 8 now, will be 9 in June.

As Ilia has often said, they will give her every support they can if she is passionate about pursuing skating which she is up to this point. If she really loses interest, then she is free to move on. They didn't insist that Daria choose skating and they won't make that decision for Liza either, The drive to skate must come from the child and they want their girls to be happy, fulfilled people above all things.

Willowway

tkrm7778
04-04-2010, 08:35 PM
Just IMHO, at the "Zhuk Memorial" several people liked this 9 year old girl. She is no Elena Radionova (yet?), and she's not jumping triples yet, but she has great expression on ice and she has "something" in my opinion. She's training in Sankt-Petersbourg at the Figure Skating Academie, her coach is Svetlana Franzusova.

Ekaterina Vysotina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ani2tCyehEs

loopey
04-04-2010, 11:02 PM
I can't believe Makarova may not even make Sochi even if she would be the only elegant lady among all the jumping bean girls. :(

She needs to get away from Johnny's team if she wants to improve her results. The overly Russian style with empty choreographies, boring music and absolute front-loading is going to kill her scores.According to Weir in "The Loft" Ksenia is jumping 3lz/3t in practices, but has not yet put them in her programs. So I think she is looking to improve!

In another thread it was said that Weir noted Galina is the one that watered down his transitions and choreography. If true, the real question is if she likes less choreography because her students can't skate clean otherwise. If so, then maybe she will add more as when they can handle it.

oleada
04-04-2010, 11:30 PM
3lz+3t? But she hasn't had a solo 3lz in her program?! :huh:

loopey
04-05-2010, 12:53 AM
3lz+3t? But she hasn't had a solo 3lz in her program?! :huh:
Yep that's what he said. He mentioned the 3lz is a new jump this year as was the flip last year.

Autumn_girl
04-05-2010, 10:28 AM
According to Weir in "The Loft" Ksenia is jumping 3lz/3t in practices, but has not yet put them in her programs. So I think she is looking to improve!

Yes, Ksenia's father, Oleg Makarov, said the same in his interview after Euros. Ksenia also mentioned after Olympics that she will put 3lz in her programs next year and wants to try 3F-3T or 3Lz-3T

Dr.Siouxs
04-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Meh, Johnny has always given blind praise to the younger Russian girls. As I recall, he formerly had Arina Martinova on the "favorite athletes" list on his website but chucked her once she failed to live up to her potential. :rofl:

alchemy void
04-06-2010, 04:51 AM
Meh, Johnny has always given blind praise to the younger Russian girls. As I recall, he formerly had Arina Martinova on the "favorite athletes" list on his website but chucked her once she failed to live up to her potential. :rofl:

:rofl: That is classic. Blind praise is right. :scream:
I like Makarova but listening to Johnny go on and on about how much of a woman she was made me want for Helgesson to kick her butt.

pinky166
04-12-2010, 10:25 PM
I can't believe Makarova may not even make Sochi even if she would be the only elegant lady among all the jumping bean girls. :(


I still think she has a good shot, many of these girls are so young that they can go in 2018 if they aren't quite the soup by 2014. Plus you don't know what puberty will do to them, even if they do overcome puberty a lot is going to depend on the timing and if they will be able to recover from growth spurts in time for Sochi.

Also, they aren't all little jumping beans. Ovcharova is known more for her spirals, spins, and footwork than her jumps so in a couple years I think will be more of an elegant (in an energetic way) lady than a jumping bean and Agafonova seems pretty graceful too. Again, it's all about the timing, I don't think we'll be seeing Leonova in Sochi but Makarova I think will be there and maybe Ovcharova too where she will have more international experience than a lot of the others by then and seems be going through her growing pains now (and still improving a lot despite them) rather than later. Liza apparently landed 3a in a competition :D so I think we'll be seeing a lot of her in a couple years, that girl is scary good!

geod2
04-13-2010, 12:30 PM
Again, it's all about the timing, I don't think we'll be seeing Leonova in Sochi

Because??
Currently ISU ranked 8th, but too old at 24 by then?

If true, that would be :(.