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pinky166
04-26-2010, 05:57 PM
That is a great photo -- thanks!

Who is the guy in the back row, second from the left, who looks like Ilia Kulik at 18?

Makarova looks gorgeous.

I think he competes in pairs but I'm not sure. And I know, Ksenia is so beautiful, and Liza looks like she will be very pretty when she gets older as well, her eyes and skin are quite stunning.

Eris
04-26-2010, 06:06 PM
Who is the guy in the back row, second from the left, who looks like Ilia Kulik at 18?
Mikhail Kuznetsov - yes, he is a pair skater, skates with Tatiana Novik (a blond girl next to him)
They placed fourth at JWC.

pinky166
04-26-2010, 09:32 PM
Does Russia have any really good mini pair skaters like they do in ladies?

pinky166
04-27-2010, 12:51 AM
Oh and apparently Shelepen, Ovcharova, and Agafonova are all staying junior for next season, so I'm guessing the JGP is going to be dominated by a whole bunch of Russians, and then Agnes for the US, should be interesting to watch.

oleada
04-27-2010, 12:55 AM
Oh and apparently Shelepen, Ovcharova, and Agafonova are all staying junior for next season, so I'm guessing the JGP is going to be dominated by a whole bunch of Russians, and then Agnes for the US, should be interesting to watch.

Where did you hear that?

Sylvia
04-27-2010, 12:59 AM
Oh and apparently Shelepen, Ovcharova, and Agafonova are all staying junior for next season,

Where did you hear that?
This is according to a post by SUN at the Golden Skate forum today (SUN also posts here at FSU) -- the exact quote is: "Regarding the RUS ladies I heard that Agafonova, Shelepen, Ovcharova will stay Junior."
ETA: Here's the link to SUN's full post in the Grand Prix 2010-11 Pre-announcement thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2744545&postcount=33

oleada
04-27-2010, 01:04 AM
That's not a bad move for any of those girls, as they could all certainly use some more seasoning, either artistically or technically or both. But it's going to be a crowded JGP team for Russia.

pinky166
04-27-2010, 02:28 AM
That's not a bad move for any of those girls, as they could all certainly use some more seasoning, either artistically or technically or both. But it's going to be a crowded JGP team for Russia.

I agree it's probably a smart move, the only thing is that it looks like it will be tough to make the JGPF in the coming season. The US has Zawadzki, Baga, and likely Siraj, Cesario, and Jiang and then Russia will have the two Polinas, Anna, Liza, Adelina, Sofya and Roza (Russia has 14 spots for ladies right? so 7 skaters if they each get 2 assignments). So that's 12 really good skaters right there not including any surprise stars we make see, and only room for 8 at the final, gosh the JGP might be more exciting than the SGP in the coming season! :eek:

Where Anna and Polina have already made the JGPF this season, I imagine it would be upsetting if they didn't make it next season (I still think they both can and likely will), but who knows what will happen with the depth of the field.

Marco
04-27-2010, 03:26 AM
Just because these Russian girls stay for the JGP doesn't mean (if they are old enough) they can't go to Euros and Worlds in the second half of the season right? It's probably easier for them to grab ISU ranking points via JGP anyways.

I forget how many spots RUS has for Euros. But in any event if Leonova continues her struggles with consistency and if her programs next season aren't as charming as they are this season I hope RUS at least has options.

Looking forward to this sudden influx of RUS talent (although I have yet to see one or more with both the style/ package and the jumps/consistency). This past season has just been a preview I am sure. And don't forget the little girls from JPN whom we didn't get to see more of because JPN bombed Jr Worlds in the 2009 season. But with Murakami winning Jr Worlds this past season we are going to be seeing quite a lot of young talents from JPN too.

oleada
04-27-2010, 03:35 AM
I'm excited to see Karen Kemanai do her JGP debut.

I think Sofia Biryukova could really compete for one of the 2 Euros spots, if she can skate clean and up to her potential. All the triples + a consistent 3t+3t + better style than Leonova (IMO) could mean good things for her.

caseyedwards
04-27-2010, 03:39 AM
For 2011 Euros Russia has 2 spots for men and ladies and three spots each for pairs and dance.

pinky166
04-27-2010, 04:22 AM
For 2011 Euros Russia has 2 spots for men and ladies and three spots each for pairs and dance.

Yes, and Shelepen, Ovcharova, and Agafonova won't be eligible for Worlds and Euros until the 2011-2012 season. By isu standards, those three are the same age because Shelepen misses the cutoff by 28 days. Ksenia could go to Euros, Olympics and Words because she is 17, technically she was old enough to compete at those competitions during the 2008-2009 season but she competed as a junior that season and the beginning of this season. Only Birukova is age eligible to go to Euros and Worlds in the coming season, which as someone pointed out she has a decent shot to make those teams.

Adelina has the style/artistry and jumps and used to be consistent until recently so she is closest to the full package right now, if she stops trying for those crazy 3-3lo combinations then she will likely fall less. In any event it seems like there aren't enough JGP spots for Russian ladies in the coming season, they get what 14?, and they have many more than 7 ladies who are more than qualified to compete on the JGP.

Autumn_girl
04-27-2010, 05:57 AM
I'm sure at least one of them will move up, there are too many girls who can skate on the JGP and qualify to the final and only Makarova and Leonova on the SGP.
As for Sofya, I don't think she will beat Alena at Nationals. Alena had injury, then was ill and coudn't train, this is the main reason she struggled later in the season, but next year I'm sure she will be stronger, she is working on 3F-3T now. As I said before, Anna had problems with her LP whole season, but with Sofya it's even worse. She didn't skate even one clean LP in the season! I think she needs more experience to compete for the Euros and Worlds spot

pinky166
04-27-2010, 03:29 PM
I'm sure at least one of them will move up, there are too many girls who can skate on the JGP and qualify to the final and only Makarova and Leonova on the SGP.
As for Sofya, I don't think she will beat Alena at Nationals. Alena had injury, then was ill and coudn't train, this is the main reason she struggled later in the season, but next year I'm sure she will be stronger, she is working on 3F-3T now. As I said before, Anna had problems with her LP whole season, but with Sofya it's even worse. She didn't skate even one clean LP in the season! I think she needs more experience to compete for the Euros and Worlds spot

True, I think i'm just not that fond of Leonova's skating because she is sloppy, but she is good at landing her triples most of the time. I don't know anything officially about JGP/SGP but on Goldenskate someone said they had heard that the two Polinas and Anna were going to stay junior another season, but they listed no reference/link.

Also, because they will not be age eligible for Worlds or Euros, they could skate on the SGP and then compete at Junior Nationals and try to go to Junior Worlds again and I guess that in a sense would still be considered "staying junior". IIRC, Mao in 05-06 competed on the SGP and then went to Jr Worlds because she was not old enough to go to the Olympics or Worlds, and Caroline Zhang in 07-08 also did SGP and then was sent to Junior Worlds b/c she was not old enough for senior worlds and was only 4th at nationals. So I guess some skaters do a halfway year where they compete partially as a senior and partially as a junior, which may be what was meant when SUN at GS said they will stay junior.

I would think at least Shelepen would compete on the SGP where she won just about everything on the JGP, Agafonova didn't make the final so I understand why she might want to do another season on the JGP, Anna has already gone to the JGPF but maybe her goal is to medal there so she can garauntee herself a spot on the SGP so then she will be more likely to get 2 assignments in the next season. If they do all stay on the JGP though, it probably means other girls won't get a chance to get any assignments, or may just get one because those three are at the top of the pecking order for getting assignments and may bump skaters like Roza or Kristina from getting assignments.

Doesn't Russia have a meeting where they decide the assignments and figure out who goes where? I think the meeting for the USFSA deciding the Team Envelops and JGP assignments is this week, and then SGP assignments come out in more like May or June. So if Russia is on a similar schedule, we should know soon right?

Sylvia
04-27-2010, 03:48 PM
I think the meeting for the USFSA deciding the Team Envelops and JGP assignments is this week,
No, the initial U.S. JGP assignments won't be determined until sometime next month, from what I've heard. Last year, the initial list of U.S. JGP athletes selected (not actual assignments) was published online in June, AFTER the Senior GP assignments were published. The SGP selection meeting is taking place around 2 weeks later this year, before the ISU Congress in mid-June.