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pinky166
04-25-2010, 10:34 PM
She is too young for that, isn't she?:confused: And I think she won't be able to beat Makarova and Leonova...

But I really want a good future for her, Anna is my favourite Russian skater))

She's too young for Worlds and Euros but old enough to compete on the senior GP circuit, the same is true for both Polinas, all three girls will have to wait an additional season to be eligible for Euros and Worlds but all three are eligible to compete on the senior GP in the coming season if they chose to do so. I kind of wish I could see all three girls compete on the senior GP this season just because it would be exciting, but likely at least one of them will stay junior, and possibly all three could stay junior, so we'll see.

And this is just my opinion but I think Leonova is over-rated. I don't really find her very impressive, I think in a year or two Anna and the two Polina's can overtake her. And as for Makarova, Shelepen beat her at the JGPF, and Ovcharova's total score there was only a couple points lower than Ksenia's, so again, just a matter of time. If Makarova can get a 3lz and do two 3f or 3lz (or both) in her FS, then she will be a force, but with her current jump layout the younger ladies can easily catch her in coming years.

What is crystal ice? A novice competition?

Sylvia
04-25-2010, 10:36 PM
Crystal skate was this weekend.
Here's the link to the event thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=73191

Civic
04-25-2010, 11:06 PM
Up incoming...? Are these promising young Russian ladies artillery fire?::P

oleada
04-25-2010, 11:52 PM
What is crystal ice? A novice competition?

Pretty much. It's an club competition for Baltic countries. There are two groups: the older group is skaters born in 1997/1998 and the younger group is for skaters born 1999 and younger.

pinky166
04-26-2010, 12:10 AM
Pretty much. It's an club competition for Baltic countries. There are two groups: the older group is skaters born in 1997/1998 and the younger group is for skaters born 1999 and younger.

Woww that is REALLY young! I wonder when the Russian Skating Federation will announce the JGP assignments for the upcoming season, apparently the Japanese Skating Federation already announced their JGP assignments, and I think the USA team envelopes and initial JGP assignments are coming out in a few days.

Autumn_girl
04-26-2010, 05:20 AM
Last year Polina A won Crystal Skate, Anna and Rosa did very well there, and then they all got JGP spots, so it's important competition. But this time girls are not even eligible for JGP, I don't know about Darya Afanasieva, but Darya Medvedeva was born in July 1997, she can't go to the JGP yet

pinky166
04-26-2010, 05:30 AM
Last year Polina A won Crystal Skate, Anna and Rosa did very well there, and then they all got JGP spots, so it's important competition. But this time girls are not even eligible for JGP, I don't know about Darya Afanasieva, but Darya Medvedeva was born in July 1997, she can't go to the JGP yet

Good to know! And as for Anna and never doing a good LP this season, I think she had a few good LPs at the Cup of Russia events because that is how she qualified to skate at senior nationals, where she had a pretty good LP and scored 102+ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzuQHmQaWtI. Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS63nie0B7E I don't know what competition is fun but she didn't fall during this program and only had a couple of glitches, so she IS capable of doing a good LP. I don't know what the deal with her LP at Jr Worlds was though, b/c she had been skating a lot better than that for awhile, maybe nerves or she hurt herself or something. And is it just me or does she have a maturity to her skating beyond her years? (she is 14 now but 13 at all her competitions this year), watching her I don't feel like I'm watching a little kid skate.

Autumn_girl
04-26-2010, 05:42 AM
Good to know! And as for Anna and never doing a good LP this season, I think she had a few good LPs at the Cup of Russia events because that is how she qualified to skate at senior nationals, where she had a pretty good LP and scored 102+.

No, she skated at the JGPF and that's why she qualified for the senior Nationals (it's a rule that junior skaters who qualified to the JGPF can also skate at senior Nationals), the same with Ksenia Makarova, who didn't go to the Cup of Russia events

oleada
04-26-2010, 05:46 AM
Both would have qualified her - making the JGPF or placing top 3 in a Russia Cup event are enough on their own to qualify for Senior Nationals.

Autumn_girl
04-26-2010, 05:49 AM
Both would have qualified her - making the JGPF or placing top 3 in a Russia Cup event are enough on their own to qualify for Senior Nationals.

Yes, but she had nothing to loose when she skated at the Russian cup, she already qualified to the senior Nationals, maybe that's why she did so well there

Eris
04-26-2010, 11:23 AM
And this is just my opinion but I think Leonova is over-rated. I don't really find her very impressive, I think in a year or two Anna and the two Polina's can overtake her.
Yes, but now... Even strong jumper Elizaveta couldn't beat Alena - Alena's PCS was rather high.

she IS capable of doing a good LP.
To add to her good skating at Russian Nationals, she won the LP at Junior Russian Nationals :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_EytmJFwk

watching her I don't feel like I'm watching a little kid skate.
I agree, her skating seems so mature.

pinky166
04-26-2010, 02:41 PM
Yes, but now... Even strong jumper Elizaveta couldn't beat Alena - Alena's PCS was rather high.

To add to her good skating at Russian Nationals, she won the LP at Junior Russian Nationals :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2_EytmJFwk

I agree, her skating seems so mature.

Alena's PCS are high because she was reigning junior world champ and "the" Russian lady, although now that Ksenia has moved up to seniors she seems to be taking over that title. Plus because Liza skated in the penultimate group her PCS were kept down, Mishin mentioned that, he said that if she had skated in the final group for the LP she would have likely gotten a significantly higher score.

And I know, I love that LP of Anna's, she scored almost 110 points which for a junior event is fantastic! I always wonder if she had had that LP at Junior Worlds, if she would have beaten Kanako for the title, she definitely could have come in 2nd at least!

Glad someone agrees, I think part of it is because she's fairly tall and elegant, but some of the maturity is definitely her skating and not just the way she looks (she looks her age, but the Polinas both just look so young that she looks older in comparison to them). I really hope she continues to progress and work on her jumps, I really like her skating a lot, she is my favorite young Russian skater and it was exciting to see her have such a great breakout season. Seems like such a nice, happy girl as well, always smiling in the Kiss n Cry :).

Also, Crystal Skate has entrants from other countries right? Anyone from outside Russia do well there?

Sylvia
04-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Also, Crystal Skate has entrants from other countries right? Anyone from outside Russia do well there?
Reposting the event thread with results (thanks oleada!): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=73191


Last year Polina A won Crystal Skate, Anna and Rosa did very well there, and then they all got JGP spots, so it's important competition.
Thanks for the info. Here's the link to last year's results in the 2009 Crystal Skate event thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65954

pinky166
04-26-2010, 05:35 PM
Reposting the event thread with results (thanks oleada!): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=73191


Thanks for the info. Here's the link to last year's results in the 2009 Crystal Skate event thread in Kiss and Cry: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65954

Thanks, looks like Estonia and Latvia have some promising young skaters, that will sure be exciting if Europe once again emerges as a figure skating powerhouse in the coming quad. I'm excited :).

Oh and looking at those scores, Anna and Rosa have improved a lot since last year, both girls have been getting much higher scores recently. Rosa is now scoring in the 120s-130s at international events and higher at national events and Anna even with her LP issues has been scoring mid 140s at international events all season, and 150s-160s at national events. That makes me happy, I really love those two and clearly they have been working hard and improving even though they still have some things to fix. I want next season to start already! :lol:

kwanfan1818
04-26-2010, 05:51 PM
:lol: I just came across this picture, seems like Mishin REALLY wants Liza to be the next Irina, and believes she can do it. How cute.

http://photo.fsonline.ru/main.php?g2_itemId=23668

That is a great photo -- thanks!

Who is the guy in the back row, second from the left, who looks like Ilia Kulik at 18?

Makarova looks gorgeous.