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agalisgv
01-31-2010, 05:05 AM
I don't think it really matters where she will place. She earned the spot. Isn't the Olympic spirit about competing and representing your country in the eyes of the rest of the world? I was only commenting on her statement in the article that she was sure even with a subpar performance on her part that she would place in the top 20 at the Olympics.

I'm guessing part of the costs associated with going to the Olympics is security. I believe the Mossad or Shin Bet accompanies all Israeli competitors--not sure who picks up the tab for that.

Zemgirl
01-31-2010, 05:52 AM
Katz said she had a viral infection a couple weeks before Euros so was off the ice for two weeks before competing--that's why she says she placed so badly. Thing is she really hasn't progressed in the standings over the years, and in fact has gone down the past two or three. To me it looks like she has already peaked and will likely not do better than she already has.
Wasn't she injured for almost all of last season, though? I don't think she'll ever contend for the top ten (well, maybe at Euros ;)) but she's not bad.

agalisgv
01-31-2010, 06:12 AM
I'm not saying she's bad at all--just that, for whatever reason, her place in international standings has dropped over the past 2-3 years. She's never been in the top 20 at Worlds ever, and she's gone from placing 13 at Euros in 2007 to 21 this year. She never did better at Euros than in 2007. In 2006 she placed 2 at Golden Spin, but in 2009 she placed 5 at the same comp.

I can't think of any instance where her standings have improved from 2006-7. That doesn't make her a bad skater at all. It may mean she's peaked though.

Cheylana
01-31-2010, 06:18 AM
I vote for letting her go (not that anyone cares what I think :lol:). This is probably her last opportunity for her to represent her country in the Olympics. Even if she finished last, so what? Someone has to finish last anyway.

Dr.Siouxs
01-31-2010, 06:21 AM
As for Tamar, she didn't manage to place 20th at Euros, with a skate much better than her usual bombfest, I wonder how she thinks she could easily do so at Olympics.

Well I would say Tamar deserved to be in the top 20. How that piece-of-dog-crap-on-ice Gozeva was ahead of her in the SP is completely beyond me...

agalisgv
01-31-2010, 06:34 AM
How that piece-of-dog-crap-on-ice Gozeva was ahead of her in the SP is completely beyond me... Gozeva did a 3lz combo and Katz singled her lz combo attempt, landed badly, and got virtually zero points for it. That's why.

Dr.Siouxs
01-31-2010, 06:43 AM
Gozeva did a 3lz combo and Katz singled her lz combo attempt, landed badly, and got virtually zero points for it. That's why.

But Tamar had nice spirals! :wuzrobbed :violin:

Japanfan
01-31-2010, 06:44 AM
She earned the spot.

She didn't earn the spot if the rule is that she had to finish in the top 14 at Europeans - regardless of whether or not you agree with the rule.

Eden
01-31-2010, 06:48 AM
I believe the Mossad or Shin Bet accompanies all Israeli competitors--not sure who picks up the tab for that.
Shin Bet.

agalisgv
01-31-2010, 07:01 AM
But Tamar had nice spirals! :wuzrobbed :violin: I'll give you that ;)
Shin Bet. Thanks

Do you know if the Israeli Olympic Committee is responsible for any security related costs for its athletes?

Eden
01-31-2010, 07:41 AM
Thanks
You're welcome!


Do you know if the Israeli Olympic Committee is responsible for any security related costs for its athletes?
Not 100% sure here, but I believe that the hosting country is responsible for security costs of all the athletes including those who require more security.

BTW, Both Athens and Beijing games used Israeli experts for security arrangements.

Andrey aka Pushkin
01-31-2010, 09:27 AM
Katz wuzrobbed of a medal at Europeans :P
With the overall abysmal level, a good skate from her should have landed her on the podium. But she got dumped in the SP for being inconsistent. As a fact, last season she was 25th in the SP at Worlds while being completely out of shape, so top 20 is definitely a very realistic goal.

I also think she's a very good package, she has all the triples, Sasha Cohenish spirals and spins, and she's fast across the ice. I honestly think that what holds her down is the nationality and the lack of consistency, so the judges don't give her the full credit even on the rare occasions when she skates well.

Anyway, GOOOO Katz, and I'm completely :blah: over the stupid Israeli OC that manages to send 20 officials, but can't find a spot for the athletes who have earned their place otherwise. And it's not only Katz, the same applies to the summer athletes as well, Dudi Sela being the most obvious. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to the Israeli bureaucracy.

Ziggy
01-31-2010, 10:25 AM
How that piece-of-dog-crap-on-ice Gozeva was ahead of her in the SP is completely beyond me...

Oh god, Gozeva so shouldn't have qualified.

I guess as Agalisgv said, because she managed to rotate her jumps she made it through. Meh. :/

kosjenka
01-31-2010, 12:04 PM
She didn't earn the spot if the rule is that she had to finish in the top 14 at Europeans - regardless of whether or not you agree with the rule.

Tamara qualified Israel for the Olympics under the regulations of her competing category. Tusk she earned her country a spot in Vancouver.

But the spot isn't hers. Israel can send anyone they think is the most fit in that category.

This only explains this situation, but it still sucks. Olympics is THE competition with slogan that it is about participating and representing your country, not winning.

TAHbKA
01-31-2010, 01:17 PM
Anyways, here is the IOC data
The Israeli Olympic Committee can be contacted at:
The Olympic Committee of Israel can be reached at nocil@nocil.co.il
Phone, +972 3 649 8385. Fax, +972 3 649 8395

am clueless whether emailing/calling/faxing can change anything, but since right now the status is "not going" it can't hurt Tamar's chances anyway.

email/fax away:)