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hydro
01-15-2010, 04:28 PM
Move the Bronze up to Gold's place, Silver stays where it is, and add a new medal for fourth place called the "NBC."

Ouch. Go Conan :respec:

deltask8er
01-15-2010, 04:54 PM
Didn't he step on Letterman too in order to get The Tonight Show in the first place? Maybe someone can refresh my memory, but wasn't Letterman next in line after Carson, but due to some shady politicizing on Jay's part, he ended up getting the gig?

If so, I'm sure for many comics who don't respect Jay, this might all seem like history repeating itself.

Based on what I remember from the early 90s (and HBO made a movie about it, btw; I wonder if it's on DVD), Carson announced a few months before retirement that this was it -- May 1992 was going to be the end of him hosting the Tonight Show. Letterman looked like the natural successor at first glance, but then executives wondered if his incessantly sarcastic humor would work well in the traditional Tonight Show format. Also, Letterman's personality scares away a few superstars. Some have admitted to being terrified of being interviewed by him. Leno, OTOH, got along well with the executives, did whatever corporate events he was asked to do, and the superstars afraid to do talk shows feel way more comfortable with someone like Leno.

Here's a link to videos with both Carson and Letterman, btw (those were the days :cool: ) :

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Letterman+Carson&search_type=&aq=f

And if it still works, I also have a VHS tape with Leno making an appearance on "Late Night with David Letterman" in the late 1980s. :watch: Leno was a successful standup comedian at that point. I remember going to one of his shows in Milwaukee during that time.

Back in 2004, NBC thought in order to a avoid a repeat of the 1992 ugliness, let's lock in The Tonight Show's next host with a longterm contract and date as to when the change will take place. Wellllll, that didn't work well, either -- did it? :shuffle:

I heard Jimmy Fallon comment on all of this on his show the other day. He simply said "I'm just glad to have a job", the possible time change for his show wouldn't bother him, and it's really awkward for him because he knows both men well. He'll just keep doing what he is paid to do, which is to entertain, make viewers laugh.

mpal2
01-15-2010, 05:23 PM
I heard Jimmy Fallon comment on all of this on his show the other day. He simply said "I'm just glad to have a job", the possible time change for his show wouldn't bother him, and it's really awkward for him because he knows both men well. He'll just keep doing what he is paid to do, which is to entertain, make viewers laugh.

I don't know what else he could say given that his contract is with NBC and he's trying to rise through the ranks. Politics.

loopey
01-15-2010, 06:35 PM
Perhaps some people don't respect the fact that Jay is stepping on Conan. I don't. Instead of competing against Jay on another network, Conan agreed to do his show at 12:30 for years with the promise that he would get the Tonight Show. Jay had agreed to this. It helped him because keeping Conan from competing head to head increased Jay's ratings. When he changed his mind about wanting to do late night tv longer, he could have gone to Fox, but he took the NBC offer of a 10:00p.m. show, knowing that it was risky. Now that NBC affiliates are upset about Jay's low ratings because it has impacted their news ratings, the honchos at NBC have decided to end Jay's show. They reportedly have signed a new contract with Jay for him to do an 11:30 show, thus depriving Conan of the show he waited and sacrificed for. NBC would not have done this to Conan without Jay's agreement.

IMO, that's why people do not respect what Jay did. He made decisions that are not currently making him happy, and instead of going to Fox or sucking it up, he is helping NBC screw over Conan. Some might say that it's fine to behave in this way, but I think there are plenty of people, especially others who perform on late night, who think it's really sleazy. Plus, Jimmy Fallon also is being impacted by this.
But the other side is that, Jay had been kicking Letterman's butt with ratings on the Tonight Show, and in spite of Conan's popularity in his old timeslot, he was an unknown risk moving to the Tonight Show. NBC honored that committment to Conan, but could not risk losing Jay to Fox at say 11:30 and taking all those ratings with him. So they decided to keep him on NBC any way they could. Mainly this was a business decision IMO: stop his popularity from ruining Conan's chance with the Tonight Show.

While everyone has pointed out the low ratings for Jay's show, many have forgotten to mention that the Tonight Show with Conan has NOT gotten good ratings either. So NBC has two lower than expected ratings and two larger than necessary contracts and salaries. In the end, it's a business. The higher ratings win. This is not new to networks. The only reason they didn't just let Conan go altogether was because IMO, they didn't want to pay the penalties of ending his contract. I doubt they are worried about him appearing on Fox at 11:30 and competing. It's already been proven by ratings that folks aren't watching him at 11:30.

I think NBC has handled this all wrong. I think they made decisions based on business dollars (as most networks do), with little regard to professionally communicating to both their employees.

What I don't understand is why Jay is getting so much negative press, as if NBC's handling of this is all his fault.

Ratings win. Jay had better ratings than Conan in the Tonight Show. Period.

deltask8er
01-15-2010, 07:15 PM
Leno must have known that doing a very similar show to the Tonight Show before the local news was going to undermine O'Brien's efforts to keep people interested in the same schtick they saw at 10:00. I remember the first night Leno had his new show Jimmy Fallon joked at the beginning of his show "Welcome to the fourth hour of the Tonight Show". Too true to be funny, imo.

And while it costed less to do a variety show in prime time instead of a more typical type of show, it doesn't pay off in the long term. No :bribe: in syndicating such a show a few years from now, for example.

The tactic just simply split ratings/viewership in half: the ones who still like Leno watched at 10, the ones who are Conan fans followed him to the new time. Apparently O'Brien didn't gain many new regular viewers. Who's to blame for that? How would have Leno done if Carson tried the same thing in 1992? :fragile:

Allskate
01-15-2010, 07:15 PM
While everyone has pointed out the low ratings for Jay's show, many have forgotten to mention that the Tonight Show with Conan has NOT gotten good ratings either. So NBC has two lower than expected ratings and two larger than necessary contracts and salaries. In the end, it's a business. The higher ratings win. This is not new to networks. The only reason they didn't just let Conan go altogether was because IMO, they didn't want to pay the penalties of ending his contract. I doubt they are worried about him appearing on Fox at 11:30 and competing. It's already been proven by ratings that folks aren't watching him at 11:30.

Well, reports are that NBC is threatening to try and stop Conan from going to any other network, so they obviously are worried about him going elsewhere. This isn't about penalties. Folks are watching Conan at 11:30. Just not as many as watched Jay at 11:30. And I suspect that the demographic for Conan's audience is more in line with what advertisers want. There is no question that Jay's ratings would be higher without Conan as competition.

BTW, nobody is saying that this is ALL Jay's fault. Some people just think it is partly Jay's fault and don't really respect the way he has conducted himself.

Also, part of business is conducting your business in a way that makes people want to do business with you. I wouldn't be too eager to sign a contract of any sort with NBC given the way it is has acted and I'm sure there are plenty of entertainers and businesses who are more leary of NBC as a result of their conduct. Part of being a good business is protecting your brand, too, and they are not coming off looking good. NBC has not handled this whole thing well, regardless of whether, in the end, Jay gets more ratings than Conan did.

reckless
01-15-2010, 10:19 PM
Conan puts "Barely-used late night talk show" up for sale on Craigslist (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/clt/1551463643.html).

Autumm_wind
01-15-2010, 10:24 PM
You have to check out the titles in consideration for his upcoming movie. :saint:

http://www.tonightshowwithconanobrien.com/video/clips/coco-does-porno-011410/1193192/

Synnabun
01-15-2010, 10:51 PM
Those titles were so fantastic last night!

I'm upset for Conan... this all branched out from NBC trying to avoid being sued by Leno for a breach of contract (he was guaranteed the 10P time slot... whereas Conan was not guaranteed any time slot). I think the most respectable thing to do is for Jay to grow a backbone and tell NBC to back off, but of course it won't happen because it is all about money. When he gave up "The Tonight Show" he should have stayed away. I agree with many posters that Jay's show pretty much stole Conan's thunder. Conan wasn't given a solid chance to succeed with Jay doing his same old stuff an hour and a half earlier. Conan has every right to say he doesn't agree with the proposed changes.

At this point, especially with TPTB at NBC being less than friendly, Conan doesn't have much of a choice. I don't want to see him lose his job because there's MANY jobs at stake with his show. What about everyone else on his staff that was transplanted from NYC to LA last summer? What is going to happen to them? I love Conan and I've watched him for years, but if NBC DOES indeed move Jay he unfortunately just needs to suck it up and go with the flow.

laurenjm
01-15-2010, 11:00 PM
Something tells me that this tactic that NBC is planning is going to backfire BIG time on them and Jay Leno.

I wonder when the back room deal was made with Jay?

reckless
01-15-2010, 11:36 PM
But the other side is that, Jay had been kicking Letterman's butt with ratings on the Tonight Show, and in spite of Conan's popularity in his old timeslot, he was an unknown risk moving to the Tonight Show. NBC honored that committment to Conan, but could not risk losing Jay to Fox at say 11:30 and taking all those ratings with him. So they decided to keep him on NBC any way they could. Mainly this was a business decision IMO: stop his popularity from ruining Conan's chance with the Tonight Show.

While everyone has pointed out the low ratings for Jay's show, many have forgotten to mention that the Tonight Show with Conan has NOT gotten good ratings either. So NBC has two lower than expected ratings and two larger than necessary contracts and salaries. In the end, it's a business. The higher ratings win. This is not new to networks. The only reason they didn't just let Conan go altogether was because IMO, they didn't want to pay the penalties of ending his contract. I doubt they are worried about him appearing on Fox at 11:30 and competing. It's already been proven by ratings that folks aren't watching him at 11:30.

I think NBC has handled this all wrong. I think they made decisions based on business dollars (as most networks do), with little regard to professionally communicating to both their employees.

What I don't understand is why Jay is getting so much negative press, as if NBC's handling of this is all his fault.

Ratings win. Jay had better ratings than Conan in the Tonight Show. Period.
You can't equate the two, because Conan never had a primetime lineup to lead into his version of the Tonight Show. As I mentioned before, in late-night, a key element is viewer passivity. Viewers watch the 10 pm primetime, don't bother changing the channel when the news comes on (after all, why is CBS local news any better than NBC local news?), and then seque into late night shows. I've always suspected a key reason is because people begin to doze off, but leave their TVs on. When NBC gutted its 10 pm primetime schedule and replaced it with Leno, it took away another hour of primetime, plus, in effect, created competition with the Tonight Show. To a lot of viewers, why would you need to watch Conan when you had already watched a similar program at 10?

Ultimately, there is no way to know if Conan's ratings drop were due to his having less appeal, due to the weirdness of NBC's schedule, or both. Conan's ratings did begin to drop behind Letterman during the summer, but NBC's summer primetime schedule may have been a factor. CBS's reruns often beat NBC's programming.

Allskate
01-15-2010, 11:50 PM
I'm upset for Conan... this all branched out from NBC trying to avoid being sued by Leno for a breach of contract (he was guaranteed the 10P time slot... whereas Conan was not guaranteed any time slot).


I don't think that's accurate. IMO, this all stemmed from NBC wanting to make more money. As I understand it, Jay was not guaranteed that he could keep his 10:00 show. In addition, although NBC is claiming that its contract with Conan does not give him the 11:30 slot, everyone, including NBC, seems to know that's total B.S.. The contract gives him "The Tonight Show," which we all know comes on at 11:30 (or 11:35). Even NBC seems to realize it's breaching its contract with Conan, which is why they are reportedly negotiating a big payoff for him rather than suing him for breach of contract. I wonder what NBC will decide to do if something happens to Jay and he can no longer do the show in a few years.

smurfy
01-16-2010, 02:11 AM
In a way this whole thing is hilarious and entertaining. But I have no $$ or anything invested.
As I see it, NBC took a big gamble, and so did Jay, and it failed. But if it succeeded everyone would be tripping over themselves kissing up to NBC.
Conan did not have the ratings Jay did, but neither did Jay when he first took over for Johnny. What I find bothersome, and I think others do too - Jay's show failed, then take it off the air. Why should it impact other shows like Conan and Fallon?
It just does not seem right.
I was impressed with Conan's letter and that probably helped his case.
It seems like Jay should do the honorable thing and bow out, his show failed, move on. He retired maybe when he did not want to, again it his decision, move on.
Also the thing that bothers folks is that the staff/crews behind the scenes are the ones that are really screwed. Regardless of how one feels for Jay or Conan, if Jay & Conan have been responsible with their earnings to dated, I would assume they never need to work again to pay their rent like the rest of us.

This all makes me really miss Carson. No one even compares.

PrincessLeppard
01-16-2010, 04:02 AM
(after all, why is CBS local news any better than NBC local news?),

Come to Omaha. NBC has the only coherent local news. Our CBS news is ACTION NEWS, with segments of ACTION WEATHER and ACTION SPORTS. And the ABC station seems to be a training ground for newbies. Occasionally entertaining, but sometimes I just want the news. :)

PDilemma
01-16-2010, 04:38 AM
Come to Omaha. NBC has the only coherent local news. Our CBS news is ACTION NEWS, with segments of ACTION WEATHER and ACTION SPORTS. And the ABC station seems to be a training ground for newbies. Occasionally entertaining, but sometimes I just want the news. :)

Don't forget that ACTION WEATHER gives us the THREAT TRACKER every day--because rain or even a cloudy day is a THREAT! The NBC affiliate is the only decent local news in Omaha.