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Kruss
01-22-2010, 07:57 PM
Yes, however I read a WaPo article last week about how when Leno took over for Carson, the ratings dropped and stayed dropped for over a year until he could get the groove back. They didn't give Conan enough time to do the same.


That's exactly what has pissed me off about this, because I well remember when Leno's ratings were in the toilet that first year and Letterman was kicking his arse. Leno changed his entire show to bring ratings up - the set was rebuilt & everything as I remember.

Stefanie
01-22-2010, 08:09 PM
I am still :eek: at the amount of money Conan is receiving simply for being let go/unemployed. How many Americans would love to receive that much money in unemployment benefits or severance packages?! If I didn't perform well at my job, or if my "rating" wasn't what my boss thought it should be, I'd be let go with only my final paycheck and perhaps whatever I received for cashing in my vacation and/or sick leave. I know; life isn't fair. A friend of mine posted on her Facebook status last night to think about how that money could be used to help the Haitians. :(

Satellitegirl
01-22-2010, 08:46 PM
there are contracts in the hollywood world.

skatingfan5
01-22-2010, 08:51 PM
Did Conan and all of his staff move from NYC to Cal for this show? If so, I hope he and they are able to uproot their kids again and able to sell their houses if they end up back in NYC. Personally, I do agree that he has a more east coast rather than Hollywood vibe.Not to mention that the LA sunshine can't be too great for Conan's famously pale and sensitive skin -- he must have invested in a huge supply of SPF90 sunscreen before moving West. ;)

PrincessLeppard
01-22-2010, 09:03 PM
I am still :eek: at the amount of money Conan is receiving simply for being let go/unemployed.

And he wasn't let go. His show was moved back a half hour. And he flipped out.

Satellitegirl
01-22-2010, 09:50 PM
He didn't flip out......he said he wasn't going to move the show. It wouldn't be the "tonight" show when it's starting the next morning. Either way, happy for Conan. Hope Jay tanks.

skatingfan5
01-22-2010, 10:50 PM
He didn't flip out......he said he wasn't going to move the show. It wouldn't be the "tonight" show when it's starting the next morning. Either way, happy for Conan. Hope Jay tanks.I hope they both do well -- Jay with the "Tonight Show" and Conan with the "Whatever Time of the Night Show" on some network that is not NBC. :)

pixie cut
01-22-2010, 10:51 PM
Overall I blame NBC, but if Leno agreed to leave, he should have left. He could have done specials, more standup, etc.

NBC offered Leno a contract to stay. He did not force himself on NBC. He did not demand a show. He was happy to entertain offers from other networks. He did not stage a sit-in in the parking lot until they gave him the 10 PM show.

NBC panicked when it became clear Leno intended to keep working on television after leaving The Tonight Show. He never said he was going to leave television. I know I'm a broken record, but I'll say again, NBC should have picked one or the other -- Leno or O'Brien -- and put the network's full weight behind that person as host of The Tonight Show.

I personally think O'Brien was not a good choice for The Tonight Show. His East Coast sensibility and edgy quality are not suited for a Hollywood based show in the 11:30 time slot. But if NBC execs believed in him, they should have believed in him 100% instead of the way it was handled.

I will not cry for him or his staff. All are leaving well compensated.

skatingfan5
01-22-2010, 10:52 PM
And he wasn't let go. His show was moved back a half hour. And he flipped out.Not sure why this was such a problem -- his ratings in the later time slot are what made him someone that NBC didn't want to let go and got him the "Tonight Show" gig in the first place. I guess "the grass is always greener" -- but I'd say that $32M is a lot of green. :D

pixie cut
01-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Not sure why this was such a problem -- his ratings in the later time slot are what made him someone that NBC didn't want to let go and got him the "Tonight Show" gig in the first place.

Ego. If a show starts after midnight, it's not The Tonight Show, and he was promised The Tonight Show.

Also, it seemed a recipe for more trouble, so best to cut your losses.

skatingfan5
01-22-2010, 11:07 PM
Ego. If a show starts after midnight, it's not The Tonight Show, and he was promised The Tonight Show.What an elitist, East-coast-centric attitude! :drama: ;) Here in the heartland, it would still have been the Tonight Show, starting at 11:05 p.m. -- even if it's taped at around 4 in the afternoon, which is NOT exactly night anyway. :lol:

genevieve
01-22-2010, 11:08 PM
I am still :eek: at the amount of money Conan is receiving simply for being let go/unemployed. How many Americans would love to receive that much money in unemployment benefits or severance packages?! If I didn't perform well at my job, or if my "rating" wasn't what my boss thought it should be, I'd be let go with only my final paycheck and perhaps whatever I received for cashing in my vacation and/or sick leave.
Many people let go due to performance issues are given severance packages beyond their last paycheck and vacation time. It's not just CEOs of Fortune 500 companies.

:cheer2: to Conan for fighting for the extra money for severance for his staff.

numbers123
01-22-2010, 11:25 PM
And you don't judge a guy based on 7 months of performance.

Most places I know give you a 6 month probationary period. if you don't work to expectations, you are let go. Or a performance improvement plan is put into place - which could be the case here "we will give you some help with Jay in the first 30 minutes and you follow just not as late as before". Often times in network television, your show doesn't do well it can be canceled quickly sometimes after the first airing.

unless some of you/us know exactly what went out behind the closed doors and what was in the contract neogiations, we don't know that Jay or Conan are the bad guys here. It might be that NBC is not the bad guy.

My personal thoughts about the whole situation has blame enough for all and listed below is my assumption of what happened.

Jay didn't want to retire, NBC strong armed him to sign the contract ~ 5years ago to turn the show over to Conan. Didn't want to, but NBC wanted it.

Conan was threatening to leave, NBC wanted to retain him so wrote a contract that would appease Conan, perhaps because that Dave Letterman showed them that one could be succesful on another network.

Time's up, Jay is reminded that he is leaving, he's still not ready to and talks about walking. Conan is excited because what he wanted is "finally happening". Jay makes noises about leaving, NBC has to find a way to appease him.

Conan moves to 11:30 (10:30 CST). Jay moves to 10 (9 CST). Neither shows are as successful as before the change. Affiliates are angry that their viewerships are dropping.


NBC has three parties to appease here. Affiliates are probably saying "it wasn't broke until you broke it" Offered solutions that they felt would appease everyone and ends up appeasing no one. Conan says "I'm walking" thinking that NBC will support him over Jay. NBC called his bluff.

Who wins here? don't know Who loses here? just about everyone. I don't see anyway this will work out for anyone.

deltask8er
01-23-2010, 04:24 AM
That's exactly what has pissed me off about this, because I well remember when Leno's ratings were in the toilet that first year and Letterman was kicking his arse. Leno changed his entire show to bring ratings up - the set was rebuilt & everything as I remember.

That probably didn't bother NBC at the time. NBC went from paying Johnny Carson $20 million a year (and remember how he worked 3 days a week the last few years?) to Leno for $5 million a year. Also, Leno's sidekick doubled as the band leader. No Ed McMahon to pay for, either.

BTW, I heard that just before Leno was awarded the Tonight Show, he signed a contract to do Vegas shows every weekend for 10 years. He honored the contract and did the shows every weekend in addition to doing the Tonight Show!



According to a December 2008 poll by Harris Interactive, Mr. Leno ranked No. 1 when 2,388 respondents were asked "Who is your favorite TV personality?" beating Hugh Laurie from Fox medical drama "House," Ellen DeGeneres and Oprah Winfrey, among others.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360503853566592.html


Originally Posted by Stefanie
I am still :eek: at the amount of money Conan is receiving simply for being let go/unemployed.

Maybe it was part of the contract all along, based on this old article:




Originally posted Jul 11, 2008
JAY LENO'S WHEEL OF FORTUNE
The outgoing Tonight Show host has countless career options at his disposal. Here, we outline the six most likely scenarios for Leno's future. Spin, wheel, spin!

NBC
Unless the brass pay Conan O'Brien some $40 million in penalties, Leno loses Johnny Carson's chair. He could set up shop in prime time, maybe hosting a 10 p.m. series a few nights a week

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20211733_4,00.html

And maybe NBC concluded they would have lost even more money if O'Brien developed a successful show on another network a few years ago.

So...what if, God forbid, Leno dies in the near future? Will Jimmy Fallon take his place? :P Carson Daly? :rofl:

moojja
01-24-2010, 07:37 AM
Why is Conan called "Coco" ? Everytime I hear the name Coco, I immediately think that Courtney Cox and David Arquette's daughter is all grown up and is in show business :lol:.

In Friday night show, Tom Hanks said he was responsible for the nickname. It was a great show. I loved Conan's closing monologue. It was classy, and hit all the right notes.