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rococo
01-19-2010, 09:24 AM
I agree. His best competitive programs were in 2004 and 2005, plus the Swan in 2006. That's it. Everything since then had been unfitting and/ or boring.
I dare to disagree. His 2008 ones were excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlxsqcjS6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0PB5vpbaQ

Triple Butz
01-19-2010, 09:49 AM
I dare to disagree. His 2008 ones were excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlxsqcjS6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0PB5vpbaQ

True, I liked those programs, even thought the free could use more choreography. It was a travesty that Evan won that year. I still :lol: when looking at the protocols and seeing that Evan got credit for both "triple" axels and POSITIVE GOE on a 3/3 combo that had a step out.
:huh: :rolleyes:

Lilac
01-19-2010, 12:31 PM
True, I liked those programs, even thought the free could use more choreography. It was a travesty that Evan won that year. I still :lol: when looking at the protocols and seeing that Evan got credit for both "triple" axels and POSITIVE GOE on a 3/3 combo that had a step out.
:huh: :rolleyes:

I`m glad to see that somebody have noticed that Evan`s step out on 3-3 combo in FS at US Nats 2008 as I`ve noticed.

Marco
01-19-2010, 01:28 PM
I dare to disagree. His 2008 ones were excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZlxsqcjS6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK0PB5vpbaQ

He did the elements well, but the programs were just jump jump spin spin, with no real thought put in the choreography and nothing made important. He barely used the music and barely had a transition.

No way could this compare to his 2004 and 2005 programs. Just IMO of course.

made_in_canada
01-19-2010, 03:36 PM
It was a travesty that Evan won that year. I still :lol: when looking at the protocols and seeing that Evan got credit for both "triple" axels and POSITIVE GOE on a 3/3 combo that had a step out.
:huh: :rolleyes:

It's quite possible to have a positive GOE on an element even if there is a mistake in one phase of the jump... GOE's are supposed to be based on all four phases of the jump and if the other three phases are well done it's perfectly acceptable to have a positive GOE.

Willowway
01-19-2010, 03:47 PM
As Johnny's skating looses the highest level of quality does his self-promotion go up? Or does the self-promotion take focus away and thereby, compromises the skating. Which came first?

I found Scott Hamilton's comment that likens Weir to him in terms of being a huge self-promoter honest and accurate. But I think Scott earned his way in with the gold.


Willowway

Cheylana
01-19-2010, 09:10 PM
I like mavericks, unique, out there people, but I don't think Johnny Wier is any of that these days. He just comes accross as vacuous, materialistic, vain, arrogant, false and up himself. I wouldn't give a crap about personal traits as long as his skating was special, but...it's really not and I am baffled by the trillions of "Awww I love Johnny" "He's so sweet" comments. He seems to be vanity and self obsession personified.

Am I way wrong?
I don't know, but I've met him a few times (albeit briefly) and from what I've seen, he's very sweet to his fans, and very generous with his time, autographs and photos. I'm sure that kind of stuff wins him points with his fans, and rightfully so.

(Although the last time I met him, he said I looked familiar, so maybe I'll hold off on approaching him for a while, lest I look like a crazy :slinkaway )

ros01
01-19-2010, 10:18 PM
He does seem to enjoy portraying a diva-like image and talking about his costumes, etc. But when I went to the Brooklyn premiere of Pop Star on Ice in August, I was genuinely impressed by how thoughtful, down-to-earth, and humble he was in the q&a. I wish all athletes were so intelligent and well-spoken. And he was very generous with his time, and nice to all the fans who wanted photos and autographs. Just to be clear, I had a mild liking for him, but certainly wouldn't have called myself one of his big fans. However, he came across so well that I've found myself cheering more for him since.

I can't tell you for sure if you're wrong, poths, but that was my experience.

Triple Butz
01-20-2010, 12:01 AM
It's quite possible to have a positive GOE on an element even if there is a mistake in one phase of the jump... GOE's are supposed to be based on all four phases of the jump and if the other three phases are well done it's perfectly acceptable to have a positive GOE.

So in this case, we have a triple flip/triple toe combination with a spiral entry. The flip has an incorrect edge take-off, little height, decent landing, and the toe-loop has even less height, is short of rotation, and is not checked and basically landed on two feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8PP2dGSXd8

What exactly about this combination was so brilliant to overcome all of the flaws and end up with positive GOE?

manleywoman
01-20-2010, 01:16 AM
He does seem to enjoy portraying a diva-like image and talking about his costumes, etc. But when I went to the Brooklyn premiere of Pop Star on Ice in August, I was genuinely impressed by how thoughtful, down-to-earth, and humble he was in the q&a. I wish all athletes were so intelligent and well-spoken. And he was very generous with his time, and nice to all the fans who wanted photos and autographs. Just to be clear, I had a mild liking for him, but certainly wouldn't have called myself one of his big fans. However, he came across so well that I've found myself cheering more for him since.

I can't tell you for sure if you're wrong, poths, but that was my experience.

But I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I think you can be super sweet, generous and nice, and still a diva.

Same that any other athlete can also be super sweet and generous, but still be arrogant.

Let's face it . . . it takes a bit of ego to be able to get to the top of figure skating.

shallwedansu
01-20-2010, 09:54 PM
Johnny Weir slammed for wearing fur (http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/2010/01/20/johnny-weir-slammed-for-wearing-fur/) (Out Sports)

Weir probably thinks hes being edgy with his defiance, but his taunting of the animal rights people on this one brings to mind an animal whose fur he would never wear a jackass.

igniculus
01-20-2010, 11:00 PM
I don't see any slam in that open letter. It's very articulate and honest, nothing bashful towards Johnny.

Allskate
01-20-2010, 11:39 PM
I don't see any slam in that open letter. It's very articulate and honest, nothing bashful towards Johnny.

Calling him a jackass isn't slamming him? :confused:

I wish he wouldn't wear fur, but calling him a jackass really isn't the way to get him to stop.

igniculus
01-21-2010, 12:49 AM
Calling him a jackass isn't slamming him? :confused:

I wish he wouldn't wear fur, but calling him a jackass really isn't the way to get him to stop.

I've read the letter but I didn't see the word "jackass" in it. :confused:

I go back and read it again...

libby
01-21-2010, 01:09 AM
I love it that he takes the postcards PETA sends him, draws Xs on the animals' eyes and mails them back. :EVILLE: