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Jenny
12-30-2009, 02:56 PM
I can't feel too bad for the companies and shareholders. If their marketing strategy was that heavily weighted to a celebrity athlete that it affects earnings and share price that significantly, then they are stupid. Even if they decided that Tiger was nearly scandal-proof as a celebrity and took the risk, putting all your marketing dollars on an athlete whose career could be (and has been) affected or even ended suddenly by injury is foolhardy.

loopey
12-30-2009, 07:18 PM
So will the companies ask for a bailout as a result? :hat1: :drama:

:rofl:

Really
12-31-2009, 02:53 AM
Today is Tiger's birthday. Wonder what he's doing?According to this article (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/health/Tiger+face+being+rebuilt+sports+blogger/2391261/story.html), recuperating...

mag
12-31-2009, 03:54 AM
^^ I really wonder if this is damage control by team Woods. I'm sure it is very skeptical of me, but they could be looking for sympathy and trying to paint Elin as an abusive spouse.

What worries me about all of this is that even if she did hit him she is the exception that proves the rule. I worked with a domestic violence team a number of years ago and the research was very clear that the vast (very vast) majority of abuse is the husband abusing the wife. When wives abuse it is generally in either self defense or they they crack after some extreme incident. People always have lots of stories, and we've heard some in this thread, but they are, in relation to the number of abusive husbands, a very small drop in the bucket.

Any kind of abuse is wrong, but until the fact are known (and they may never be) I think it is wrong to paint Elin as an abusive spouse. I can think of a number of scenarios under which, having read that text message, Elin would have cracked and totally lost it and done something totally out of character. Of course, they are all just speculation and I'm not sure that is useful at this point.

Prancer
12-31-2009, 04:12 AM
What worries me about all of this is that even if she did hit him she is the exception that proves the rule. I worked with a domestic violence team a number of years ago and the research was very clear that the vast (very vast) majority of abuse is the husband abusing the wife. When wives abuse it is generally in either self defense or they they crack after some extreme incident. People always have lots of stories, and we've heard some in this thread, but they are, in relation to the number of abusive husbands, a very small drop in the bucket.

I thought the research indicated that men inflict more damage, but abuse is committed by both men and women in roughly equal proportions and that women were more likely to hit first?

No?

Squibble
12-31-2009, 06:52 AM
I worked with a domestic violence team a number of years ago and the research was very clear that the vast (very vast) majority of abuse is the husband abusing the wife. When wives abuse it is generally in either self defense or they they crack after some extreme incident. People always have lots of stories, and we've heard some in this thread, but they are, in relation to the number of abusive husbands, a very small drop in the bucket.

Citations, please?


I thought the research indicated that men inflict more damage, but abuse is committed by both men and women in roughly equal proportions and that women were more likely to hit first?

No?

Yes.

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/latimes.htm
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Aceon6
12-31-2009, 01:32 PM
According to this article (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/health/Tiger+face+being+rebuilt+sports+blogger/2391261/story.html), recuperating...

If true, this changes my thinking a bit. I still think Tiger's scum, and still think Elin went off in a fit of rage, but continuing to chase him after you've whacked him and inflicted serious injury???? Hmmmmm....

Edited to add info from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/31/tiger.woods.ticket/index.html) that seems to contradict the story

"Disclosure of the December 1 traffic ticket handoff came after unsubstantiated Internet reports that in the original incident, Woods had been hit in the face with a golf club, suffering a gash, knocking out his teeth and sending him to a plastic surgeon in Arizona for plastic surgery shortly after the accident

The Florida Highway Patrol's meeting would appear to make the timing of that trip impossible. Woods' agent has not responded to CNN's questions about those reports."

Bandana
12-31-2009, 01:33 PM
Sounds like a late night talk show type joke.

Only dumber and not funny. *yawn*

skatemommy
12-31-2009, 02:45 PM
If true, this changes my thinking a bit. I still think Tiger's scum, and still think Elin went off in a fit of rage, but continuing to chase him after you've whacked him and inflicted serious injury???? Hmmmmm....

Edited to add info from CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/31/tiger.woods.ticket/index.html) that seems to contradict the story

"Disclosure of the December 1 traffic ticket handoff came after unsubstantiated Internet reports that in the original incident, Woods had been hit in the face with a golf club, suffering a gash, knocking out his teeth and sending him to a plastic surgeon in Arizona for plastic surgery shortly after the accident

The Florida Highway Patrol's meeting would appear to make the timing of that trip impossible. Woods' agent has not responded to CNN's questions about those reports."

Ace, I agree this seems like spin by Team Woods to evoke sympathy. If he was that badly hurt you would not wait this long for plastic surgery? The police would have noted his injuries?

zowie
12-31-2009, 03:05 PM
^^ I really wonder if this is damage control by team Woods. I'm sure it is very skeptical of me, but they could be looking for sympathy and trying to paint Elin as an abusive spouse.



I knew it would happen in time.

Aceon6
12-31-2009, 03:34 PM
Ace, I agree this seems like spin by Team Woods to evoke sympathy. If he was that badly hurt you would not wait this long for plastic surgery? The police would have noted his injuries?

Or spin to counter the "Why in gawd's name would a supposedly intelligent person with the best management and lawyers handle this so badly?"

Aceon6
12-31-2009, 04:13 PM
Another sponsor gone (http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/31/news/companies/tiger_woods_att/index.htm). This time, it's a big one, the AT&T logo on his bag.

Rob
12-31-2009, 04:17 PM
Another sponsor gone (http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/31/news/companies/tiger_woods_att/index.htm). This time, it's a big one, the AT&T logo on his bag.

ooo, AT&T sponsors his tournament, which is usually here in MD. I wonder what will happen to that.

deltask8er
12-31-2009, 05:49 PM
This was posted a week ago:

Tiger Woods Reportedly Coming to Arizona Rehab Center For Sex Addiction

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2009/12/tiger_woods_reportedly_coming.php

This week:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/29/tiger-woods-in-rehab-golf_n_406196.html

WindSpirit
12-31-2009, 05:58 PM
^^ I really wonder if this is damage control by team Woods. I'm sure it is very skeptical of me, but they could be looking for sympathy and trying to paint Elin as an abusive spouse. Nothing will surprise me, I guess, after reading about Charlie Sheen latest stunt where he allegedly held a knife to his wife's throat and threatened to kill her and most people were getting on her case because she was under influence on Christmas morning. In her own house. If I were his wife I would be drinking, too.

Btw, I don't mean to discuss the case here. I know there's another thread for it. I just wanted to illustrate my point that quite often people start blaming the woman if a man did something bad. She must have deserved, provoked it, etc. We don't have any proof that Elin was ever abusive; with Sheen's wife, I guess being buzzed in your own house seems worse to many people than a spouse holding a knife to your throat. Oh well.