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BigB08822
08-27-2010, 05:11 PM
Chinese Nationals report:

http://intlgymnast.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1868:jiang-yuyuan-leads-chinese-championships&catid=5:competition-reports&Itemid=164

"World and Olympic champion He Kexin missed several handstands to score 14.650 on uneven bars, but competed all four events to place seventh. "

Perhaps its time for us to stop freaking out about the HUGE US deficit on bars. Not to say she can't improve...but I wonder if bars isn't quite the slam dunk for China that it used to be...

Considering that is by far the lowest she has scored in a long time on bars, I will not stop freaking out. If it becomes a trend then I might let out a sigh but this seems like a freak event, everyone has an off day.

chipso1
08-27-2010, 05:16 PM
He Kexin has grown quite a lot since Worlds last year, so I wouldn't be surprised if she struggles on UB for a while as she adjusts to her new body.

danafan
08-27-2010, 05:23 PM
He Kexin did her entire routine on the high bar, didn't touch the low bar once, but still did a 6.5 D score routine. :rolleyes:

And Jiang Yuyuan has a D score of 7.2 now.

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chipso1
08-27-2010, 05:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3wSk_W--oQ

^He's UB routine. Why didn't she do anything on the low bar at all?? :confused:

caseyedwards
08-27-2010, 05:27 PM
It is like the Chinese federation wants to get rid of the low bar and just transform uneven bars to women high bar like men high bar,

danafan
08-27-2010, 05:27 PM
I think she's having endurance/fitness issues at the moment, so why not just take out the low bar section? She only loses one CR, so 0.5 off the D score, and she still has one of the highest D scores in the world with that routine. It would be possible to become world and olympic champion on "uneven" bars without touching the low bar once....

chipso1
08-27-2010, 05:30 PM
Yang Yilin's UB was also a bit underwhelming...she looks like she's grown even more since Worlds, too.

Nice to see Jiang Yuyuan getting back to top form!

VIETgrlTerifa
08-27-2010, 11:40 PM
I think the FIG needs to start mandating Low Bar usage. I'm not sure how...maybe have a rule that says that at least 1/3 of a UB routine must have low bar work.

bek
08-28-2010, 12:02 AM
Perhaps its time for us to stop freaking out about the HUGE US deficit on bars. Not to say she can't improve...but I wonder if bars isn't quite the slam dunk for China that it used to be...
The US deficit on bars isn't just about China anymore. Not when the Russians are showing the potential to eventually challenge even a strong China on bars in the next couple of years. Both the Russians and the Chinese have an ability to get high D scores that the US can't match. I'd be worried when I see that the Russians have two talented bar workers like Komova and Grishina, girls with the potential to be Olympic medalists on bars. And then Mustafina/Nabieva. Its very possible that it will be the Russians with the All Star Bars squad in 2012 once their juniors are eligible. And the US doesn't have young talent that good on bars. I'm sure the Chinese themselves are actually getting a little worried about bars. They may find themselves in a very similar position that the US found themselves. One all Star bar worker who can put up a huge score, whereas another team has 2 All Star bar workers.

I think the FIG needs to start mandating Low Bar usage. I'm not sure how...maybe have a rule that says that at least 1/3 of a UB routine must have low bar work.

That's why I think the direction the Russians are taking bars is much better for that apparatus. Nice swings, not labored, transitions etc. I don't love Mustafina's form, but their young bar workers Komova and Grishina are lovely.

BigB08822
08-28-2010, 01:55 AM
I can't believe a gymnast can get away with not touching the low bar! How can that not be a rule? I thought there were rules about at least touching the low bar once or twice or something. I think the NCAA has those rules. She should lose more than any CV, there should be a very stiff penalty, say 2 points off for not touching the low bar or not doing enough on the low bar. If that isn't the case then take it away and have the women compete high bar.

bek
08-28-2010, 02:41 AM
I can't believe a gymnast can get away with not touching the low bar! How can that not be a rule? I thought there were rules about at least touching the low bar once or twice or something. I think the NCAA has those rules. She should lose more than any CV, there should be a very stiff penalty, say 2 points off for not touching the low bar or not doing enough on the low bar. If that isn't the case then take it away and have the women compete high bar.

I thought she did get 2 points off.

BigB08822
08-28-2010, 03:38 AM
So she was going to score a 16.650? Or was this routine different than the one where she scored a 14.650? I know she is good but her D score was said to be a 6.5 so a 16.650 is impossible.

danafan
08-28-2010, 03:43 AM
He Kexin lost a whopping 0.5 from her D score for not missing the CR of a low-high flight and a high-low flight (you need two elements for that CR). That is all the code requires for low bar work. There's no other deduction you can apply.

He's routine shows a major flaw that the WTC needs to address ASAP...

BigB08822
08-28-2010, 03:50 AM
Thanks for clearing that up, Danafan. They absolutely need to address that. There needs to be a flat penalty for not doing enough on the low bar, not just losing any points from the D score depending on what you had planned.

bek
08-28-2010, 04:36 AM
Thanks for clearing that up, Danafan. They absolutely need to address that. There needs to be a flat penalty for not doing enough on the low bar, not just losing any points from the D score depending on what you had planned.

Yeah. Maybe what they should just do though is insist on 2 low flight to high flight transitions, and I think that would solve all our problems.