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bek
08-09-2010, 08:18 PM
I doubt Raisman is going to have an amanar

She's reportedly doing it in camps. Yes she fell on it at Classics but the fact that she attempted it at all (even if it was against the coaches advice) says something. She may just about be planning on having it for worlds.

chipso1
08-09-2010, 08:28 PM
Bek, your above team probably isn't likely. I highly doubt Martha would take three athletes who are virtually useless on the uneven bars. Sacramone doesn't even train them anymore, and Raisman and Hunter are horrid on them. What happens at Worlds if one of Bross/Sloan/Caquatto (or whoever the third bar worker is) gets hurt and the U.S. has to absorb a low-13 or high-12 UB score? That would take them not just out of the running for gold, but it would make even getting silver unlikely.

Mattie is great on all four events, with FX being her highlight. However, she's able to hit great lines on bars and can score into the 14s at the very least (something Raisman and Hunter will NOT do if selected to make the World team). If she's able to upgrade even a tenth or two before October, she's an even more valuable asset to the team.

Martha has always been about team success first and individual success later. I doubt she would take a team consisting of such an unreliable UB lineup...she's not been known as one to take risks.


Marta loves Mattie but she's probably not sure Mattie's completely needed on the team.

If Sloan still isn't completely healed by Worlds and can't do the AA, then she is surely needed as another AAer.


Or would a team of Bross, Sacramone, Raisman, Kytra, Sloan, Mac make the most sense in terms of scoring potential for the USA. Fact is it probably would.

No. While I don't doubt that Hunter and Raisman are landing Amanar's regularly in practice/at camps, either has yet to do one in international competition. The pressure is going to be enormous at Worlds, and how valuable is an Amanar if the athlete falls and underrotates it? It will score significantly less than a clean DTY.

Hunter and Raisman are in contention for the same Worlds spot. Both are equally good on VT, won't be used on UB, pretty solid on BB, and have the same strengths and weaknesses on FX. After seeing how things panned out at Classics, I don't think there's room for both on the team.

chipso1
08-09-2010, 08:33 PM
I doubt Raisman is going to have an amanar

After what happened at Classics, it would be wise for Martha to discourage Aly from trying it again this year, and instead to start training it again after Worlds. She's lucky she wasn't seriously injured on that attempt. Aly has scored as high as 15.350 on her DTY this year, so I'm not sure an Amanar is needed to secure her place on the World team this season.

danafan
08-09-2010, 08:46 PM
Larson will add 0.2 in CV to her routine when she connects the Ricna to overshoot as she successfully did several times in training/warmup. This would give her a D score of 6.0 and make her a possible contributor to bars in team finals.

If she goes 8 for 8 at championships, I think she'll win, mostly because Sloan is coming off injury and hasn't done AA in a while (and honestly I think Larson is the stronger gymnast right now) and Bross has never gone through a meet without royally messing up at least one routine (even going back to her junior days).

chipso1
08-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Larson will add 0.2 in CV to her routine when she connects the Ricna to overshoot as she successfully did several times in training/warmup. This would give her a D score of 6.0 and make her a possible contributor to bars in team finals.

Thanks for the info, danafan! :) Here's a video of her doing this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBaGBzVjS0) If she does this, I believe her 4 SVs will be: VT--5.8, UB--6.0, BB--5.7, FX--5.8 (total: 23.3). The BB and FX start values are what she was credited with at Classics with mistakes on both events, so they could definitely be higher at Nationals.

Bross' SVs: VT--5.8, UB--6.2, BB--6.4, FX--6.2 (total: 24.6)
Sloan's SVs: VT--5.8, UB--6.1, BB--5.5, FX--5.8 (total: 23.2...her BB seems a bit low at 5.5, but that's what she got at Classics, and her 5.8 FX SV is what she was getting last year).


If she goes 8 for 8 at championships, I think she'll win, mostly because Sloan is coming off injury and hasn't done AA in a while (and honestly I think Larson is the stronger gymnast right now) and Bross has never gone through a meet without royally messing up at least one routine (even going back to her junior days).

I agree. I'm not saying that Mattie will 100% win, but I have a feeling she just may play spoiler this year...

haribobo
08-09-2010, 11:17 PM
There's gotta be some great girl just waiting to come out of nowhere that we haven't been discussing. I am not enough of a diehard to know, though...

OlieRow
08-10-2010, 12:50 AM
There's gotta be some great girl just waiting to come out of nowhere that we haven't been discussing. I am not enough of a diehard to know, though...

There's really not, but if we could pull an amazing bar worker from nowhere (like Kayla Williams on VT last year) I'd be thrilled.

Kiss My 1040
08-10-2010, 01:56 AM
well its happened before when Terin Humphrey went from not even a B-team routine to an olympic medal overnight!

VIETgrlTerifa
08-10-2010, 01:58 AM
Right. I always wonder why Terin's team tried to make her out to be a FX specialist when it seemed that she never scored outside the 9.3-9.4 range for a clean routine internationally. Thank goodness they worked on her UB set by the Olympics.

pollyanna
08-10-2010, 04:24 AM
There's really not, but if we could pull an amazing bar worker from nowhere (like Kayla Williams on VT last year) I'd be thrilled.

Speaking of which, where is Kayla now? Did she find a place to train that would put up with her dad? Will she ever be on the World team again?

HisWeirness
08-10-2010, 04:29 AM
Speaking of which, where is Kayla now? Did she find a place to train that would put up with her dad? Will she ever be on the World team again?
Kayla retired from elite competition about 2 weeks ago.
http://www.insidegymnastics.com/content/show/newsarticle.aspx?articleid=863&zoneid=1

World vaulting champ Kayla Williams has made the decision to forego further Elite training and focus on preparing for college, according to coach Mary Lee Tracy.
Williams, the USA’s first, and to date only, World Champion on vault, tore her a plantar fascia tendon in her foot “one or two weeks ago,” according to Tracy, and decided yesterday to end her Elite career, even though the injury will not require surgical repair.

HisWeirness
08-10-2010, 04:49 AM
I hope Universal Sports puts this online LIVE as well, that is the only way I will be able to watch.
Universal Sports updated their live streaming schedule (http://www.universalsports.com/news/article/newsid=485979.html#2010+u+s+championships) (finally!) and it looks like you may be able to see the pre and post shows since they are starting gymnastics coverage at 6:30pm each day, not at 7:00pm when the events start.


GYMNASTICS: 2010 VISA Gymnastic Championships, Thursday, August 12, 2010, 6:30 pm ET

GYMNASTICS: 2010 VISA Gymnastic Championships, Friday, August 13, 2010, 6:30 pm ET

GYMNASTICS: 2010 VISA Gymnastic Championships, Saturday, August 14, 2010, 6:30 pm ET

No listing for Day 1 of the Sr. Men's (MAG) Competition on Wednesday, Aug. 11. Maybe we'll get highlights or something?

BigB08822
08-10-2010, 05:02 AM
Thanks! I am not too worried about the pre and post shows, I was mainly hoping they would be streaming the gymnastics meet itself.

judgejudy27
08-10-2010, 06:28 AM
Right. I always wonder why Terin's team tried to make her out to be a FX specialist when it seemed that she never scored outside the 9.3-9.4 range for a clean routine internationally. Thank goodness they worked on her UB set by the Olympics.

I never thought of Terin as a specialist on anything, but rather as an AA gymnast. Before Athens I thought beam was her best event though.

VIETgrlTerifa
08-10-2010, 06:41 AM
I never thought of Terin as a specialist on anything, but rather as an AA gymnast. Before Athens I thought beam was her best event though.

Of course Terin was an All-Arounder, but I heard it mentioned a few times that Terin was supposedly a strong FX worker prior to those games (that was the only event she did at 2003 Worlds TF and she mentioned that FX and BB were her strengths before the games). Heck, I still hear people say that Terin should've went on FX instead of Courtney Kupets in Athens although Kupet's major mistake didn't score much lower than Humphrey's preliminary score.