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rfisher
08-16-2010, 03:23 AM
Russell was the only funny thing about the show. Where's Eric's humor? And HUNTER! Excuse me! Can we say book conflation? Sookie doesn't even know about him till after Hadley's been turned and is dead!

I do not like what they are doing with Calvin. He's totally out of character.

If they feck up Book Four, I quit watching.

screech
08-16-2010, 04:12 AM
I realized 2 things... Nan Flannigan is played by Ryan and Sharpay's mom from the High School Musical movies (kind of hilarious). And in rewatching last week's episode, Eric staked Talbot with the Japanese erotica they had bonded over. Kind of nice hee hee.

This episode was better... probably because it was light on the Sookie/Bill. I was very angry at their shower though... they damn well better not have decided to give us that shower in lieu of the Eric/Sookie one from book 4...

The Eric/Pam emotional bit was nice. Pam cried!!!! And glad to see that Eric did take the crown, though if I were him, I'd be wearing it. Loved that Eric's 'trial' took place over webcam, though I'm surprised he was so completely honest with them.

Bill's reasoning for snooping on Sookie... because Eric is so interested? Really Bill. Your ass will soon be handed to you. I hope.

I kind of like that they're having Hadley in the series. I always wished in the books that she and Sookie had rekindled their familial relationship, so its nice to see it happening, even if it introduces Hunter early. And either that kid is tall or Hadley is extremely short. And really, with what Hadley told Sookie, isn't Sookie the least bit suspicious about Bill, especially after just having discussed the file?

I'm completely over Jason/Crystal. The best thing going on with Jason is that we get more Andy. Though I loved Crystal's 'not really' when Felton asked her if Jason was a cop. Her saying that if he doesn't get that she needs to go with her dad or he doesn't get her at all had me snickering. They've known each other what, 3 days? And in that time she's made out with him, then revealed she's engaged. Then run to him, then accused him of being a rapist... yeah.

And Russell... so creepy with his grieving, though his final line of the episode was hilarious!!!

Love Franklin. Sad to see him go.

And finally, so nice to see Ginger again... and hear her amazing scream. (And loved how sweet Eric was to her when asking to use her house. But why oh why did he have to put a shirt on to go talk to Nan? And where did the blood all over him go?) And loved Eric's explanation of him being a Virgo (which ASkars is). Hee hee. 'I'm a Virgo. I like to be clean.'

ETA... can Russell please do the local news? I might actually watch with his exciting delivery. And Denis O'Hare should submit that scene for his Emmy/Golden Globe tape next season (complete with throwing it to the weather girl.)

rfisher
08-16-2010, 12:05 PM
I'm afraid all Eric's storylines are going to be given to Bill. They pretty much have to in order to keep and pay Moyer as star billing. He's essentially history after this book. They either give him Eric's plot points or create something totally new that diminishes Eric's role in any event. :(

I may lose interest pretty quickly next season.

jen_faith
08-16-2010, 01:15 PM
Evidently Alan Ball thinks Bill can Walk On Water (literally).

I came to be at peace with True Blood's deviations from the book when I finally accepted/decided that the two were just very different entitities and I shouldn't expect the story in one to exactly mirror the story in the other. If the good stuff in SVM gets left out of TB then it gets left out. It's too bad, but it's not going to diminish my usual enjoyment of TB--even if I do find TB to be a bit over the top at times in a pornish and gory way.



I'm afraid all Eric's storylines are going to be given to Bill. They pretty much have to in order to keep and pay Moyer as star billing. He's essentially history after this book. They either give him Eric's plot points or create something totally new that diminishes Eric's role in any event. :( ....


I just accept that TB Eric is not SVM Eric. I'm okay with that because I think Charlaine Harris has emasculated SVM Eric terribly in the later books. He's now all shmoopy LURVE Eric and his humour, mockery, and snark is MIA. It's all "you are my wife and I must protect you" (blech) I am about ready to give up on the books more than give up on the TV series. So, in a way, I am beginning to prefer TB Eric to the current SVM Eric. At least TB Eric is a man with plan, even if it is a by the seat-of-his pants, wheels within wheels plan.

I thought the episode last night had a good combination of camp, horror, silliness, pathos, and thought-provoking ideas.

I am not all that happy with the Hotshot story line but I am hoping that Ball and co are trying to portray the complexity and confusing ambiguity/loyalty in abused women/children's circumstances and actions. If not, if I am over-reading it, then that plot is just lame. I do wish they would just do the freaking reveal and let us know what is up with Hotshot instead of dancing around things foreVAH. I mean, we get it, something is UP with the Hotshot crew.

I did *not* find the Bill/Sookie shower scene hot at all. I think the Bill/Sookie relationship is nothing to ship at all, it's creepy, weird and co-dependent.

I was happy that Tara finally found her mojo again and stood up to Franklin, but why did she have to be "rescued" by a male? Does Ball hate women so much? He constantly portrays them as either eville (Maryann) or weak (just about any other female on the series).

I was sorry and not sorry to see Franklin go. Sorry because he was so deliciously psycho. Not sorry because, well, he was psycho (and evil).

I can't help but love the camp and verve of Russell Eddington. He is such a much better villian than MaryAnn. Is that him staking Bill in next week's promo? "And now, the weather. Tiffany?" :lol:

Tommy is a little jerk. I was liking his story line but this week he did little to make himself likable, except, maybe, for being nice to Jessica.

Sam going Rambo on Hotshot daddy was odd. The jury is still out on whether this is a good thing plotwise or a bad thing.

There are too many plot holes or things that just make me go huh? How did Sookie get the aquarium so fast? How come no one notices that so many people are dead/missing (all the dead werewolves and vampire snacks--they're people too)? How is Hadley able to bolt so often from Russell's house without Sophie Ann or her minions coming after her? How come the AVL needs to have guards wearing body armour? Why are Pam's lips so botox-ed? They're like to big rolls of blubber on her face. How come Sookie's house looks amazingly gross and messy in one scene and then all spanking clean in another? Why is fairyland so cheezy?

Satellitegirl
08-16-2010, 01:58 PM
Not impressed with the hotshot storyline, or Sam's storyline still.

I liked seeing Jessica and Bill in a scene together, and thought him teaching her was cool. I think we're going to start seeing more of the caring Eric again once he gets past the revenge for his family thing.

Loved Sookie smacking the crap out of Debbie and getting her to leave by getting the gun again. Debbie is a very annoying character, so they did well in casting for sure lol.

I was sad to see Talbot go...and Russell's TV time was hilarious.

flutzilla1
08-16-2010, 02:56 PM
Evidently Alan Ball thinks Bill can Walk On Water (literally).



I did *not* find the Bill/Sookie shower scene hot at all. I think the Bill/Sookie relationship is nothing to ship at all, it's creepy, weird and co-dependent.


I could not agree more. I was mock barfing at the shower scene. If that's the shower scene Ball was referring to that we should all be looking forward to, I am done with this show. Blech.

screech
08-16-2010, 04:34 PM
I'm now starting to view the book and show as separate, however I still don't like how he's portraying some of the characters in order to make Bill a saint. There's supposed to be this epic triangle between B/S/E but they aren't making it into one because Bill can do no wrong and Eric is a bastard in Sookie's eyes because he won't bend to her will. How can they claim there's this triangle when they write it so non-polygon!

While I'm disappointed in how Eric is portrayed in respect to Sookie, I do absolutely love getting to see some backstory on him and I am enjoying his vengeance storyline. I also like seeing a bit more into the world of vampire politics. (*I accidentally at first wrote 'campire' and that works as well since the show can be quite campy*)

The preview for next week (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPnVwr8nkxM&feature=player_embedded) seems to indicate that Eric is back on 'Team Sookie'... so yay!(?)

Just read something that made me snort-giggle in a recap (from EW):

I want Eric (okay, maybe Summer) to break into ''Let's Do it For Our Country (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrT1UJy0dN8)'' from Grease 2, trying to get some.

jen_faith
08-16-2010, 04:57 PM
I could not agree more. I was mock barfing at the shower scene. If that's the shower scene Ball was referring to that we should all be looking forward to, I am done with this show. Blech.

But have you noticed that we have had 2 shower scenes in the past 2 episodes? One was with Tara and Franklin, the other was Bill and Sookie. I think we are getting ..... FORESHADOWING of the epic Sookie Eric shower scene in book 4 although why people get so excited about something that I think is so badly written ("gracious plenty" and "yikes, yahoo, yum") is a bit confusing to me. . Either that or the TB writers are bunch of anvilicious SOBs.


I'm now starting to view the book and show as separate, however I still don't like how he's portraying some of the characters in order to make Bill a saint. There's supposed to be this epic triangle between B/S/E but they aren't making it into one because Bill can do no wrong and Eric is a bastard in Sookie's eyes because he won't bend to her will. How can they claim there's this triangle when they write it so non-polygon!


But I would argue here that you just have to let the non-polygon go and take HBO TB for what it is. Besides, I am guessing that the saintliness of Bill is being built up to contrast with the depth of his (probable) upcoming fall. That said, if the writers continue to let Bill get away with his double agenda and maintain the shmoopy Bill-Sookie relationship, I may have to resort to even more irony to maintain my sanity. It's not hot, it's sick.

gkelly
08-16-2010, 05:15 PM
So far I have read 5 of the books.

As far as I can tell, the Bill-Sookie relationship started out as the hot center of the story and then the author got bored with Bill and wrote him out of the relationship by putting him off the page and having his transgressions with Lorena at the beginning of the third book, leading to Sookie's anger, reported as hearsay in passing. Boring! She pretty much lost me at that point, although I will continue through the books in between whatever else I choose to read.

In this thread and elsewhere I've read references to another agenda of Bill's that must be revealed in a much later book. That would make him more interesting again.

But meanwhile the character does seem to have more depth in TB, or the potential for even more although that may not end up being fulfilled, as we see him struggling with the competing desires for human blood and humanity, and the whole Jessica side plot.

rfisher
08-16-2010, 06:09 PM
Bill was a minor character after the 3rd book. He shows up in subsequent books and tries to help Sookie every now and then, but there is no romantic interest on her part after that book. CH played around with Sookie having a were bf in book 5, but it's been all Eric ever since, although, I agree with Jen, the last book was way out of character for Eric. I'm not certain where CH is going.

The complicating factor for True Blood, is they hired a *big name* to play Bill even though he was a focus only in the first two books. Eric was already assuming a more central role by book two. The show pretty much can't dump Stephen like CH dumped Bill.

Sigh. I do know a lot of long time fans of the series who've quit watching because the main character deviation. I don't care what they do with the minor characters. This is one reason I hardly ever like movie or TV adaptations of book series.

For example, I'm a little annoyed at how Maura Isle's character was cast on Rizzoli and Isles. She's totally not like Terri Garritson's description. A description that is a very important character trait. But, the show is funny and I'm still watching. I won't even go into my screaming at the screen during Harry Potter films. :shuffle:

jen_faith
08-16-2010, 06:40 PM
I think you might be on to something there with the complicating factor idea. Although I guess one has to think that Ball must have had the major deviations in mind prior to season 1 if he hired an un-dumpable character.

Anyway, don't get me wrong. I still get twinges of disappointment when there are major deviations that could have made Eric seem, well, more Eric-like. The orgy scene, the Longshadow scene, I doubt we'll see the gravel driveway scene, and I know there are others, they just slip my mind right now It's just I've made my peace with the differences between the show and the book by treating them as two different creatures--each to be taken for it's own intrinsic goodness and badness.



The complicating factor for True Blood, is they hired a *big name* to play Bill even though he was a focus only in the first two books. Eric was already assuming a more central role by book two. The show pretty much can't dump Stephen like CH dumped Bill.

Sigh. I do know a lot of long time fans of the series who've quit watching because the main character deviation. I don't care what they do with the minor characters. This is one reason I hardly ever like movie or TV adaptations of book series.

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rfisher
08-16-2010, 06:55 PM
I was PML at Talbot in the candy jar.

gkelly
08-16-2010, 07:40 PM
Was Moyer really a "big name" when he was hired (or even now)?

It may be more a sense that Harris dumped the character prematurely.

rfisher
08-16-2010, 08:04 PM
Was Moyer really a "big name" when he was hired (or even now)?

It may be more a sense that Harris dumped the character prematurely.

The books have been out since the mid 90s. The latest is like number 10 so the writers and producers would be well aware of the path the books chose before the series was developed. There's been a book a year or every other year. The show itself had been in the works for several years.

I suspect Moyer came as part of the package with Pacquin.

screech
08-16-2010, 09:25 PM
IIRC the first book came out in 2001, and she's seemed to release 1/year since then, so by the time the show started production in 2007, they would have been on book 7, which means Sookie would have been done with Bill, forgiven him slightly for Lorena, then 'abjured' him from her thoughts after the revelation of book 6. But Sookie would not have been in a relationship with Eric, since book 4 was not the 'real' Eric (though an aspect of his personality in a way). But they would have seen all sides of Eric and the fact that they at least make out in every single book and that he saves her life in every single book.

Stephen was hired at the same time as Anna and they met at the filming of the pilot, and hid their relationship for about 10 months I think, until they were filming the later episodes of season 1 (I think they came out with it when Steve felt the need to tell Sam Trammell when he was filming a kissing scene with Anna). So it wasn't a package deal.

They could keep Bill as a major character but not completely steal from Eric's storyline. I mean - they are doing such interesting things for Eric completely with their own imaginations (even though he is featured in book 3 more than Bill) that they could write different storylines for Bill.

I think the show has only gotten 4 changes right:
1. Jessica (which I guess means I'm okay with Bill staking Longshadow)
2. Godric (though I would have loved to see the Appius stuff play out in later books. As a fan at Comic Con asked, could they maybe make Appius show up as Godric's maker?)
3. Viking backstory (though unfortunately it took from book Eric's awesomeness)
4. Lafayette