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Garden Kitty
10-17-2012, 03:54 AM
Leipheimer fired for doping history. (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/10/16/sports/ap-cyc-quick-step-leipheimer-fired.html?ref=sports&_r=1&)

Theatregirl1122
10-17-2012, 04:12 PM
Have you heard anything about whether Lance's 7 titles will go to the runner up? That's been the precedent but passing a couple of titles to Jan Ullrich, for example, is going to look really silly. So they seem to be a bit stuck.

Rob
10-18-2012, 02:07 AM
There are only a couple of runner ups who haven't been implicated at some point, right?

Zemgirl
10-18-2012, 02:13 PM
Have you heard anything about whether Lance's 7 titles will go to the runner up? That's been the precedent but passing a couple of titles to Jan Ullrich, for example, is going to look really silly. So they seem to be a bit stuck.
I think they said the titles for those years would be vacated, with no winners listed instead of Armstrong. Considering the tour was hardly doping-free in those years, I suppose it only makes sense.

Theatregirl1122
10-18-2012, 04:51 PM
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/tour-de-france/commentary-erasing-armstrongs-tour-wins-is-a-messy-necessary-step_261814

A good article on this topic from Velonews.


And today's not-really-Lance-related-news, Cav fans can rejoice! He's officially signed with Omega Pharma Quickstep. All signs point to Omega Pharma building a dedicated sprinter's team for the upcoming season. Glad to see them get the deal done. Sky and Cav both knew that, once Wiggo and Froome began dominating the GC at the TDF this year, the split interests idea wasn't going to work. So I'm thrilled to see Cav go to a team that can prioritize him winning stages. It would be a shame to see him waste part of his best racing years on the wrong kind of team.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/sky-confirms-cavendish-move-to-omega-pharma_261821

And, of course, despite the fact that Cav has been planning to leave for months and this deal has been in the works for months, the fact that Sky just announced their doping contract has allowed a bunch of internet trolls to insist that Cav is leaving because he won't sign it. Because apparently Cav is psychic and anticipated this contract months ago? Whatever.

allezfred
10-19-2012, 12:36 AM
Lance Armstrong was doping?!!? Wow, I never saw that one coming. :eek:

;)

judgejudy27
10-21-2012, 09:25 PM
Have you heard anything about whether Lance's 7 titles will go to the runner up? That's been the precedent but passing a couple of titles to Jan Ullrich, for example, is going to look really silly. So they seem to be a bit stuck.

They should either leave the winner empty for those years or give the Tour de France titles to Victor Conte, or whoever is the doping guru for elite cyclists.

Theatregirl1122
10-22-2012, 02:05 AM
It is said in the article I posted further up that they will leave those years blank.

liv
10-22-2012, 02:34 PM
Glad they took them away, glad no other winner is named. They all doped, he's just the biggest fish caught. Maybe they should just let everyone dope on the same thing and then see who the best is.

judgejudy27
10-22-2012, 05:09 PM
Good decision to strip Lance the doper, and leave all those years blank. The most disgraceful years in the history of cyling, no winner is deserved. Hopefully all cyclists are scared by that and the ones who are still doping think twice about it. Lance was always the most overrated cyclist in history. Even had he been clean (lol) he was a 1 trick pony who focused all his efforts on one event, and who needed his ass carried by probably the strongest team in cycling history (as it turned out a team of fellow dopers) to victory. The past greats like Indurian, Merckx, Hinault, Anquetil, and others dominated the cycling circuit year round, doing and succeeding in all major tours, and ones less team oriented as well.

Jenny
10-22-2012, 06:17 PM
The most disgraceful years in the history of cyling ...

I've never followed the sport but was curious to know more given all the recent news, and remember how often doping in cycling has come up in the past. Turns out that Lance and his team are far from the first to dope in the Tour de France - according to Wiki, it goes back to the race's origins 100 years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France

And this list is :eek::eek::eek: - detailing doping across all cycling events in history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

judgejudy27
10-22-2012, 06:44 PM
I've never followed the sport but was curious to know more given all the recent news, and remember how often doping in cycling has come up in the past. Turns out that Lance and his team are far from the first to dope in the Tour de France - according to Wiki, it goes back to the race's origins 100 years ago - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France

And this list is :eek::eek::eek: - detailing doping across all cycling events in history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling

Thanks for that. I have no doubt cycling has always been a sport involving a fair amount of juicing, but it built for years until hitting its all time peak in the late 90s/early 2000s. Now with Lance and his doping brigade brothers busted, and more agressive focus on catching dopers in cycling, hopefully there will be a bit less than there was.

ballettmaus
10-22-2012, 06:44 PM
Good decision to strip Lance the doper, and leave all those years blank.

According to the news reports in Germany, the decision will be made Friday by the UCI president. It's not final yet. But giving them to anyone would be ridiculous.
They will also decide whether Armstrong will have to pay back his prize money. The tricky thing is that the statute of limitation is eight years, so it has run out on most of his titles and it might not be smart to push it. It might make a legal case Armstrong could win and he seems to be sue-happy.

According to German news, the UCI is also rumored to have told Armstrong in one of the earlier years, forgot which one, that he tested positive but that they'd not do anything about that. In return, Armstrong donated money. Another factor they need to consider when deciding about the prize money.

I don't want to defend him but given the fact how many athletes doped and dope and how cycling has such a long history of doping and how scientists keep saying that the Tour de France is impossible to succeed in unless one is doped, I not only think no one is clean but I also think that Armstrong seems to be a pawn in the scheme of a much bigger game, simply to save face.

heckles
10-22-2012, 08:00 PM
Why the big deal over Lance losing his Tour de France titles? It's not like he lost his left nut.

Aussie Willy
10-22-2012, 09:56 PM
I am finding it pretty amazing considering all the evidence that Armstrong is still denying that he ever doped. So many have now admitted they were part of systematic doping, including two officials in Australia who have now stood down from their high positions in the sport. Armstrong probably thinks that if he keeps denying it then he must be telling the truth.

One interesting article I read is the cancer played a very large role in why people didn't go after Armstrong even with all the doping accusations. How dare they pick on someone after what he has been through was the underlying message. Probably a contributing factor in why he got away with it for so long.