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Zemgirl
09-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Except it's not just him. Or even one or two others. For me the testimony of almost a dozen people is stronger to me than one saying "I've never failed a doping test."

But I guess it must be hard for many of those people who bought into the yellow wristbands to admit to themselves that they've been conned.
I think it's possible to be skeptical about Armstrong's claims regarding testing and still feel that relying on the testimony of the likes of Hamilton (who has his own interests) and cyclists offered various deals by the USADA is problematic. At this point, there's really nobody I'd consider believable on either side. I realize that the USADA is not held to the same standards that govern regular legal proceedings, but I am not very impressed with their handling of this case, and I suspect if they had any strong scientific proof, it would be on every US website by now - not just as a leak to someone from Stade 2.

A lot of the people who bought into the yellow wristband stuff did so because they needed inspiration at a difficult time in their lives, so it's not surprising that they would like to hold on to that belief.

vesperholly
09-03-2012, 07:31 PM
But I guess it must be hard for many of those people who bought into the yellow wristbands to admit to themselves that they've been conned.

Please. I don't own a stitch of inspirational anything, much less an ugly yellow wristband. :rofl: It's possible that he both doped AND the USADA can't prove it and is overzealous in their pursuit of him.

IIRC, the anti-doping agencies all state that their criteria for banning/stripping of results is positive drug tests, NOT testimony from other riders. This isn't a court of law. They have rules and they appear to not be following their own rules just for the sake of taking down the "Big Dog" of cycling. It has a whiff of witchhunt to me.


blood samples taken earlier during Armstrong's career had been retested under the authority of USADA and "ultimately came back positive".

If USADA really does have positive samples, Travis Tygart would be screaming it from the hills. Retested under the authority of an organization that is bending over backwards to vilify Armstrong? I've read that USADA has a statute of limitations on retesting, and they have ignored it in retesting his samples. Why?


One of Lance Armstrong’s key arguments in fighting United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) charges of doping and conspiracy was that the agency was acting outside the eight-year statute of limitations. USADA boss Travis Tygart has now revealed that if Armstrong had co-operated with the investigation, that statute may actually have applied. ...

Tygart told the USA Today that co-operation from Armstrong would have resulted in USADA stripping him only of his 2004 and 2005 wins.

"[If Armstrong had of] come in and been truthful, then the evidence might have been that the statute [of limitations] should apply," Tygart said.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-armstrong-could-have-retained-five-tour-wins

WTF? If he co-operates, we will stick to our rules. But since he said shove it, I'm going for the whole enchilada? Come on. This is ridiculous.

Rafter
09-03-2012, 08:24 PM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-usada-in-possession-of-positive-armstrong-samples

Apparently USADA now has positive results from retesting samples from earlier in Armstrong's career. Looks like the game is up completely.

If this is true, :watch:.

Garden Kitty
09-05-2012, 05:42 PM
There was an attempt to retest some early samples a few years ago, and the UCI report determined that the samples had not been maintained in a manner sufficient to ensure that there wasn't tampering. I suspect we'll hear similar arguments if such retesting did occur.

WADA has definitely maintained that it doesn't need a positive test in order to seek sanctions - that is sort of the whole aim of the blood passports - to detect irregularities that don't trigger an adverse result. The actions against Jan Ullrich and most of the people involved with Operation Puerto were based on evidence found at the doctor's office and not a positive test.

But in other news, Contador had an impressive day at the Vuelta with some very clever tactics from Riis (and help from an old Astana buddy), and has taken a big stage win and the leader's jersey at the Vuelta. (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/contador-solos-stage-17-win-red-jersey-101807040.html)

DaiKozOda
09-05-2012, 07:43 PM
The Vuelta is being so exciting! I'm loving it.

Garden Kitty
09-05-2012, 08:26 PM
The Vuelta is being so exciting! I'm loving it.

Agreed. The Tour is always fun just because of the spectacle of it all, but the Vuelta has had some really exciting racing this year. I loved how Riis had the other riders drop back to interfere with the chase - classic Riis!

Garden Kitty
09-06-2012, 03:36 PM
Garmin's DS Jonathan Vaughters was participating in a forum discussion on Cyclingnews and "outed" Danielson, VandeVelde and Zabriskie as former dopers by name. Article discussing the postings is on Cyclingnews (http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vaughters-confirms-past-doping-by-danielson-others-at-garmin)


Vaughters says he just got caught up in the debate, but others suspect this was a calculated move to get the news out there before the USADA releases details from the Armstrong investigation. Although Vaughters got a self-serving article in the NY Times for his confession and his riders just get a post on a forum.

For those who want more details about the mechanics of blood doping, this interview from a few months ago with Michael Ashenden is intersting although a bit technical. (http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2012/behind-scenes-contador-cas-hearing-michael-ashenden)

Garden Kitty
09-10-2012, 07:28 PM
Interesting article with Garmin's Andrew Talansky (http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/09/news/talansky-on-vuelta-wiggins-and-calling-out-andy-jacques-maynes_238114)

DaiKozOda
09-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Tyler Farrar might not be able to go to the world championships. He crashed during a stage of Tour of Britain and suffered a concussion. I wish Farrar gets well soon.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/farrar-out-of-tour-of-britain-with-concussion

Garden Kitty
09-12-2012, 11:25 PM
I was worried when I saw a tweet referring to a "severe concussion" - it's almost the end of the season. He should be very careful and not risk another injury while he's still recovering.

Theatregirl1122
09-13-2012, 12:34 AM
I feel like Tyler has been excessively accident prone the last two years. It seems like he's had so many injuries.

Garden Kitty
09-16-2012, 11:35 PM
Omega Pharma Quick Step won the team time trial at Worlds (http://news.yahoo.com/omega-win-team-time-trial-world-title-155011227--spt.html). It's a new event but it seems odd to me to have trade teams competing at worlds,

Theatregirl1122
09-17-2012, 08:00 PM
I was totally confused by that. If there was going to be a TTT, shouldn't it have been by country?

Garden Kitty
09-18-2012, 09:44 PM
I was totally confused by that. If there was going to be a TTT, shouldn't it have been by country?

That's what I thought, but it is hard because many countries get only 1 or 3 entries so they couldn't even do a team. So as much as I love a TTT and the drama that ensues, it seemed like a pretty silly race to me.

Funny exchange between Levi Leipheimer and Fat Cyclist on twitter (http://www.fatcyclist.com/2012/09/18/an-extremely-reasonable-proposal-for-levi-leipheimer/), and a challenge for a combined bike race/donut eating challenge.

Garden Kitty
09-19-2012, 03:44 PM
Congrats to Tony Martin on defending his time trial world championships, and to Taylor Phinney for getting the silver.

But in sad news, Euskatel Euskadi rider Victor Cabedo was killed after being hit by a car while out training. Terribly sad.