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morqet
08-25-2012, 08:51 AM
I'm not a cycling follower. Is it an open secret that Armstrong doped? Even if it's true that he failed drug tests in 2009 and 2010 (and I have yet to see actual proof of this, only allegations), then why are his TDF titles from 99-05 in jeopardy? Why are they backdating his doping charges to 1998?



The USADA has his 10 of his team-mates from the US Postal Service team ready to testify against him that he was doping throughout his career. There are also many suspicions over samples from the 1999 tour that were re-tested in 2005 as part of the development of a new test for EPO: http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden

Zemgirl
08-25-2012, 10:35 AM
The USADA has his 10 of his team-mates from the US Postal Service team ready to testify against him that he was doping throughout his career. There are also many suspicions over samples from the 1999 tour that were re-tested in 2005 as part of the development of a new test for EPO: http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
A lot of these guys have themselves been caught doping, though, and some of them are being offered generous terms to testify against Armstrong; it kind of puts them in the same category as jailhouse snitches - not the most reliable testimony (e.g. I wouldn't believe anything Landis says about anyone without hard proof, for instance).

Again, I think it's quite likely that Armstrong did things he shouldn't have, but I'm not comfortable with how the USADA has set about proving it. I doubt they have any strong scientific evidence, or we would have certainly heard about it by now.

I know it's cynical, but as others have said - if everyone was doping, it really was kind of a level playing field.

DaiKozOda
08-25-2012, 10:56 PM
Volta a Portugal
25-08-2012; 9th stage; 32,6KM (Pedrogão / Leiria) - Time Trial
Winner: Alejandro Marque from Spain (team Carmin Prio Tavira)
Carmin Prio Tavira finally won a stage. Alejandro Marque won the time trial with Reinardt van Rensburg (MTN) in 2nd and José Gonçalves (Onda Boavista) was 3rd.
David Blanco (Efapel) was able to keep the yellow jersey, that he got yesterday, but it isn't over yet cause any of the guys in top 5 is still in a position to claim the overall victory tomorrow. Blanco was 4th in the time trial.
Jason McCartney (United Healthcare) finished the stage in 5th place. The brazilians were finally able to have a good result on a stage: Magno Nazaret finished 6th. yay!
The time trial was exciting especcially because Blanco and Sabido were in the road at the same time and in some points Sabido seemed to be able to get the yellow jersey back. It was a dispute by second. Sabido wasn't able to keep up with his initial rhythm and the last kms were a bit of a nightmare to him.

And how about the jerseys:
Yellow: David Blanco leads the overall board. Hugo Sabido is still 2nd.
Blue (mountain): Rui Sousa (Efapel) still keeps the blue jersey and is pretty much the virtual winner. Today, this wasn't in jeopardy.
Red: Reinardt van Rensburg (MTN) recovered the red jersey. Sérgio Ribeiro didn't do well in the time trial and couldn't get any points and that meant that he dropped to 4th place.
Youth: David de la Cruz (Caja Rural) was able to keep this jersey today but only just. He lost time to Omar Fraile (Orbea Continental) who is currently in 2nd place. José Gonçalves (Onda Boavista) recovered to 3rd place here.

Choupette
08-26-2012, 12:29 AM
That being said, he's done a lot for the cancer cause and charities, so I am torn about how I feel about him.
People are rarely unidimensional. I've never believed he was clean (not because it was him, but because of my lack of faith in cycling in general) and it really got on my nerves when he was explaining he'd never dope and take risks with his health after having cancer. However, I also thought he had an impressive work ethic, showed a lot of perseverance and was probably the most talented cyclist anyway.

Speaking of EPO, Lance Armstrong himself was given some during his own chemo treatments.

Garden Kitty
08-26-2012, 01:34 AM
I know it's cynical, but as others have said - if everyone was doping, it really was kind of a level playing field.

Interesting graphic from the NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/08/24/sports/top-finishers-of-the-tour-de-france-tainted-by-doping.html?ref=global-home) showing the top 10 finishers from the last few years and which have been suspended for some doping violationm (and those are just the ones who've been caught).

I'm still annoyed all this is taking away from the fantastic US Pro Challenge in Colorado this week, as well as the racing in Portugal and Spain. The crowds in Boulder today were amazing - huge and enthusiastic.

MR-FAN
08-26-2012, 06:49 AM
If so many competitors in this sport are dopers, how come most of them don't get caught with the rigorous anti-doping tests that go on all the time? Are the tests so un-advanced that they can't detect the drugs being used by most of these competitors? They apparently keep test samples for years, and I can't believe they still can't get a positive test for doping techniques from a decade ago.

Garden Kitty
08-26-2012, 11:31 PM
One popular "doping" method is homologous blood doping in which athletes draw blood, and reinject the red blood cells from their own blood. Since it is their own blood, it doesn't get picked up in tests. This is one reason behind the blood passports which test levels over time and look for variations that don't seem natural. But that is an inexact method and still relatively new.

Operation Puerto which tripped up a number of cyclists in 2006 was related to blood doping and one theory holds that Vino got caught only when his doctor mixed up his blood bag with another rider's on the team. Doping isn't for those with weak stomachs!

DaiKozOda
08-27-2012, 06:09 PM
Volta a Portugal
26-08-2012; 10th stage; 149,5KM (Sintra / Lisbon) - The final day
Winner: Reinardt van Rensburg from South Africa (MTN)
Van Rensburg sprinted to victory in Lisbon leaving Boy van Poppel (Holland) from United Healthcare in 2nd place. Samuel Caldeira (Carmin Prio Tavira) was the best portuguese guy on the stage and finished in 3rd place. Bradley White (USA) from United Healthcare crashed and withdrew in the very last day.

Conclusion:
Individual: David Blanco (Efapel) had a great time in the last 3 stages of the Volta and managed to claim the victory to get the yellow jersey. Hugo Sabido (LA Antarte) stayed in 2nd place only 22 seconds away from success. Surprisingly, Sabido didn't sound frustrated at all. It looks like this second place finish gave him motivation to attack it in 2013. 3rd: Rui Sousa (Efapel); 4th Daniel Silva (Onda Boavista); 5th David de la Cruz (Caja Rural); 6th Brice Feillu (Saur Sojasun); 7th Sérgio Ribeiro (Efapel); 8th Nuno Ribeiro (Efapel); 9th Darwin Atapuma (Coldeportes); 10.º Vergílio Santos (LA Antarte); Massive disappointment for Carmin Prio Tavira cause they couldn't get a single cyclist in the top ten.

Blue jersey (Mountain) - Rui Sousa (Efapel) was the winner with a comfortable margin.

Orange jersey (Youth) - David de la Cruz (Caja Rural) managed to get 1st place. Omar Fraile (Orbea Continental) was 2nd and José Gonçalves (Onda Boavista) was 3rd. Just out of curiosity: Domingos Gonçalves, the twin brother of José Gonçalves, finished in 7th place.

Red jersey (points): Reinardt van Rensburg (MTN) won the last stage and secured the 1st place here. United Healthcare didn't do bad cause Jason McCartney finished 6th and Jay Thomson finished in 8th with Boy van Poppel and Kai Reus in positions 11th and 12th.

Teams - Top 10:
1.º - Efapel (Portugal)
2.º - LA Antarte (Portugal)
3.º - Onda Boavista (Portugal)
4.º - Carmin Prio Tavira (Portugal)
5.º - Caja Rural (Spain)
6.º - Columbia / Coldeportes (Colombia)
7.º - Orbea Continental (Spain)
8.º - Saur/Sojasun (France)
9.º - Burgos (Spain)
10.º - Lokosphinx (Russia)

Video summary of the last stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdIcE10p3zQ&feature=plcp
Important note: David Blanco is the first ever cyclist to win the tour of Portugal for 5 times.
Last moments of the stage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r17xPeBWgic&feature=plcp

I hope some of you liked the info and the videos about this tour.

Garden Kitty
08-27-2012, 06:59 PM
I hope some of you liked the info and the videos about this tour.

Thank you very much! It sounds like an exciting race and unfortunately it didn't get that much coverage here since it was competing with the Vuelta and the race in Colorado.

And Boy Van Poppel is one of my favorite names in the peloton!

kedrin
08-27-2012, 09:32 PM
Likewise- I've enjoyed your updates- thanks for posting. I wish we could see more of this race- you've peaked my interest. I'm sorry your posts seemed to get lost in all of the Lance stuff.

DaiKozOda
08-28-2012, 12:20 AM
Thank you Garden Kitty and Kedrin :) In case you have any questions about the race, feel free to ask. I'll be happy to answer if I can.

allezfred
08-31-2012, 10:34 AM
Hamilton to tell all about Armstrong doping (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/hamilton-repeat-armstrong-doping-claims-054828333.html)

vesperholly
09-01-2012, 09:12 AM
Hamilton to tell all about Armstrong doping (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/hamilton-repeat-armstrong-doping-claims-054828333.html)

IDK. "We were all doing it!" from a notorious doper doesn't exactly convince me.

allezfred
09-03-2012, 12:29 PM
IDK. "We were all doing it!" from a notorious doper doesn't exactly convince me.

Except it's not just him. Or even one or two others. For me the testimony of almost a dozen people is stronger to me than one saying "I've never failed a doping test."

But I guess it must be hard for many of those people who bought into the yellow wristbands to admit to themselves that they've been conned.

morqet
09-03-2012, 12:36 PM
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-usada-in-possession-of-positive-armstrong-samples

Apparently USADA now has positive results from retesting samples from earlier in Armstrong's career. Looks like the game is up completely.