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Garden Kitty
08-22-2012, 01:12 AM
We're less than a week into the Vuelta and it's already more exciting that the Tour. A close battle for the GC, Contador attacking and polemica about Sky not waiting when Valverde crashed.

Meanwhile, in Colorado, Tyler Farrar finally wins a stage and Tejay has taken the lead in the GC.

Good for McCartney in Portugal!

DaiKozOda
08-22-2012, 01:36 AM
Oh my God, Valverde crashed! I will only be able to watch footage from the Vuelta tomorrow.

Meanwhile, here's an hilarious video from the Giro. The eurosport commentators are so cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c7T_8do5Ask

Garden Kitty
08-22-2012, 02:52 AM
Article about Valverde (http://news.yahoo.com/valverde-angry-team-sky-vuelta-crash-183218860--spt.html?_esi=1)

Garden Kitty
08-22-2012, 10:02 PM
Apparently Barry Bonds has become quite the cycling fan. He's been hanging out at the USA Pro Challenge this week, (http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2012/08/20/barry-bonds-colorado-usa-pro-challenge-cycling-race/23277/) and was riding the peaks in Colorado last month.

And unlike many athletes he also seems to have "slimmed down" (http://deadspin.com/5929432/barry-bonds-is-skinny-again) since his playing days. :shuffle:

DaiKozOda
08-23-2012, 07:05 PM
Thank you for the links Garden Kitty :)

Volta a Portugal
23-08-2012; 7th Stage; 185,3KM (Gouveia / Sabugal)
Winner: Kai Reus from Holland (Team United Healthcare)
It was an emotional day. It was great to see Kai Reus as a stage winner cause he has been through so many problems during his career that he deserves some joy and success. The guys from United Healthcare must be proud of him and must be happy with their overall performance so far.
Today, there was no way that the bunch could have catched the break-away. The break-away kept things in control for a long time. Then two guys tried to escape from the break away group but french Jean Marino was able to get them. Kai Reus was the last one to join them and he ended up attacking at the right moment to eventually win the stage.
Hugo Sabido (LA Antarte) still wears the yellow jersey with a 12s advantage over CÚsar Fonte (Efapel Glassdrive). The time differences between 1st and 15th place is less than two minutes and anything can happen.
In terms of the mountain jersey, Rui Sousa (Efapel Glassdrive) is still in the lead but David Belda (Burgos) has recovered to 2nd place.
The orange jersey (youth) is still with David de la Cruz from Caja Rural.
Reinardt van Rensburg (MTN Qhubeka) managed to keep his red jersey (points).
Carmin Prio Tavira leads the team board.
A great number of cyclists have whithdrawn in the last two days. Mostly russians and brazilians. Unfortunalely that number increased today as well due to a big crash. Guess what? Ricardo Mestre was once again a victim of crash but more serious than the other 3 he had already suffered. He was taken to hospital straight away and is under observation. Mestre wasn't the only one having to be rushed to the hospital. Edgar Pinto (LA Antarte) and Bravo Garikoitz (winner of the youth jersey in 2011) also had to be taken to hospital and have withdrawn. I wasn't watching live so I don't know how the crash took place.
Video summary: latter.
Video summary of the first week: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x3S49MGBp4&feature=share
Newspapper article: http://www.record.xl.pt/Modalidades/Ciclismo/volta_a_portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=774735

Garden Kitty
08-24-2012, 02:29 AM
Sounds like a very exciting race! It's nice when it's close enough that anything can happen.

In Colorado, Jens! Voigt won the stage (and a lifetime ski pass to the local resort presented by Lindsay Vonn (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0d3p8j1gYta02/610x.jpg)) and Tejay took back the yellow jersey. Rachael Flatt tweeted that she's going to be at the stage conclusion when the USA Pro Challenge finishes up in Colorado Springs tomorrow. Maybe some of the other skaters at Champs Camp will turn out too as the race apparently goes right by the Olympic Training Center.

And Floyd Landis will avoid jail under a deferred prosecution agreement (http://espn.go.com/espnw/olympics/8297769/floyd-landis-avoid-jail-donors-get-reimbursed) he reached with the authorities provided he uses a certain amount of his earnings to pay back donors to his "Floyd Fairness Fund"

DaiKozOda
08-24-2012, 03:52 AM
Rachael Flatt tweeted that she's going to be at the stage conclusion when the USA Pro Challenge finishes up in Colorado Springs tomorrow. Maybe some of the other skaters at Champs Camp will turn out too as the race apparently goes right by the Olympic Training Center.

Great news. I'll try to follow the stage at the eurosport broadcast. Maybe we can have a glimpse of her :)

Volta a Portugal
7th stage video summary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mCZvP-HL9g&feature=plcp

Edit: evening news footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU185v8pkFI
Still haven't figured out how the hell the crash took place. According to the evening news, some cyclists fell off the road in a curve and rolled down until 3 of them ended up in the backyard of a house. Another guy stayed on a sidewalk :confused: Meanwhile it has been confirmed that Jesus del Pino has also withdrawn and Edgar Pinto broke his collarbone.
David Blanco (Efapel Glassdrive) was supposed to be one of Ricardo Mestre biggest rivals this year. It was heartwarming to watch him offer his personal amulet to a guy of Mestre's team so he could give it to him in the hospital. Great sportmanship.

Garden Kitty
08-24-2012, 03:59 AM
Reports indicate that Lance Armstrong won't fight the USADA charges any longer. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2012-08-23/lance-armstrong-usada/57258738/1)

This is reportedly Lance's original statement, which doesn't seem to be posted on the original site anymore. (http://cyclowhat.com/post/30076335873/lance-pulled-it-thats-what-she-said)

BittyBug
08-24-2012, 05:36 AM
It's a brilliant PR strategy. Walk away before any conclusion, painting USADA as the big, bad bully and leaving room for supporters to continue to believe he's clean.

I'm struck by the similarities between his defense and others who later admitted to doping. He doesn't say he never doped; he says he never had a positive test. Big difference.

tarotx
08-24-2012, 06:24 AM
The way Lance describes it, it's McCarthyism all over.

I still believe everybody cheats. Until they can start catching cheaters at the time of the events, everyone will continue to cheat. Stripping Armstrong of his wins won't matter to his life or to the sports cleanliness. He's made up for whatever bad he did or so many people believe.

Oh I guess everyone is a big word but those who compete to win cheat. Sucks but mostly for their own health and the ones they inspire who will grow up to cheat and risk their health. But hell that's the name of sport I guess...

liv
08-24-2012, 02:17 PM
I always believed he doped. Glad that he's finally been "caught."

I agree that this is a great PR strategy. You know that if you were innocent, you would keep fighting, irregardless of fatigue/cost etc. I would. He knows that there is finally evidence and before it's made a bigger news item than it is, he throws in the towel and still looks innocent to many people.

That being said, he's done a lot for the cancer cause and charities, so I am torn about how I feel about him.

Rafter
08-24-2012, 02:42 PM
It's a brilliant PR strategy. Walk away before any conclusion, painting USADA as the big, bad bully and leaving room for supporters to continue to believe he's clean.

I'm struck by the similarities between his defense and others who later admitted to doping. He doesn't say he never doped; he says he never had a positive test. Big difference.

Good point. Is interesting that he has never denied doping, just says he's never had a positive test.

As for a brilliant PR strategy, I'm not so sure. In reading a lot of "comments" under various articles, a lot of people seem to be glad he's finally been punished for doping. But he definitely has some supporters who believe he's clean.

I'm torn about him. I think he's definitely a cheater, but I also suspect everyone in cycling is doping so he was playing on a level playing field, so to speak. I also admire the work he's done for cancer charity. Though some comments I've read from the anti-Armstrong people suggest that he got cancer because of all the doping/extended use of EPO.

Theatregirl1122
08-24-2012, 03:01 PM
It's weird that no one seems to really be reporting on the dispute between the USADA and the UCI. Everyone is reporting that Lance has been stripped of his titles but not that the UCI disputes that the USADA has the power to strip him of his titles. So technically he hasn't lost anything yet.

I believe that Lance was probably doping. But then I believe that 95% of the riders in the tour the years he won were doping. So what's the point of going after Lance? Unless the WADA intends to dedicate the same level of investigation to every rider in the tour those 7 years.

I also think that they should not, as has been done in the past, give those 7 titles to the 2nd place finishers if the titles do end up being stripped. Can you imagine how stupid the sport will look if they take 7 titles from Lance and give 3 of them to Jan Ulrich? "We've concluded that Lance Armstrong is a doper and gave his titles to clean riders!" What, like the guy who has already had his participation in one twour vacated due to doping and retired after a doping ban? Oy.

Ultimately I still think that, without a positive test, it shouldn't be possible to strip titles from anyone. And, while I don't believe everything that comes out of the Lance Armstrong PR machine, I'm also puzzled by some of the USADAs actions here. Especially the statute of limitations issue. This article covers that issue and I don't know that it has really been satisfied:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/legal-opinion-armstrongs-arguments-against-usada

And Hinault's reaction is my new favorite thing:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/08/news/cycling-world-reacts-to-lance-armstrong-decision_235762

But Pereiro, Delgado, and Olano have interesting comments.

Zemgirl
08-24-2012, 03:11 PM
It's weird that no one seems to really be reporting on the dispute between the USADA and the UCI. Everyone is reporting that Lance has been stripped of his titles but not that the UCI disputes that the USADA has the power to strip him of his titles. So technically he hasn't lost anything yet.
I noticed that; it should be interesting to see how this dispute plays out.


Good point. Is interesting that he has never denied doping, just says he's never had a positive test.
IIRC, he has denied it repeatedly while also emphasizing the "I've never failed a test" line.


I'm torn about him. I think he's definitely a cheater, but I also suspect everyone in cycling is doping so he was playing on a level playing field, so to speak. I also admire the work he's done for cancer charity. Though some comments I've read from the anti-Armstrong people suggest that he got cancer because of all the doping/extended use of EPO.
I would imagine he has taken illegal substances at one point or another - certainly in his Motorola days, likely after. As you and others have noted, cycling is rife with that, so I'm having a hard time being upset that someone who doped beat others who doped. When Armstrong won his last TdF, Ulrich and Basso were on the podium with him, followed by Mancebo and Vino. Come on.

BTW, isn't EPO used to actually treat people with some forms of cancer - those with anemia from the chemo? Or is that a different type of EPO?

Leaving aside the Armstrong case, I'll admit that I have some concerns in general about anti-doping efforts and the appeals process, which almost never ends in favor of the athlete (even ones who were clearly not at fault, like Andreea Răducan). I don't believe all doping cases are created equal, and sometimes the zeal to punish and strip people of their results is misplaced, IMO.

Zemgirl
08-24-2012, 03:12 PM
sorry, double post.